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Greg_D said:
leglessAlex said:
Google tells me that I do about 20-25 miles on an average day.
This comment got me curious...How do you find out from google what mileage you do?
Then I think you can just go to www.google.co.uk/maps/timeline or if that doesn't work, open maps on chrome (while signed in to your Google account, obviously) lick the three lines in the top left and then click on the option 'My Timeline'.
It'll then show you a bar chart that you can either click on or mouse over, showing total mileage travelled and where you went. I just moused over a few weeks worth of weekdays and took a rough average. Not scientific at all
leglessAlex said:
I'm just really excited to be trying something new. I like the design, and I like idea of near-silent motoring, especially in the very early morning.
Ever been in an electric car?Performance numbers don't really tell the story at all.
The biggest change is that it's always there.
The numbers on the Honda E suggest it's as fast to 60 as a bmw 318i. But when you try and get that number out of the BMW, it feels like you're murdering it. While the EV will feel like it can do it all day every day without hesitation.
One of the comments I get about our Tesla is "yeah, but how often do you do that 0-60". The answer is: everytime I get in it. It's just there. It's not showy or shouty, it just goes like stink without actually stinking.
Loads of fun.
As for charging, I ran a Twizy for a week (again, hilariously fun for something with like 15hp), and having the charger at hand to charge at friends and family was actually fun (and necessary with 45mi effective range
).Twizy owners call it "ABC" which stands for "Always Be Charging".
Anyway, it'll be a great drive, it looks awesome and you can plug it in just about everywhere.
He's right... you can "know" all about the instant torque, and the fast 0-60s... but unless you've been in an EV, it's highly likely you don't know how they accelerate.
Just the most recent real world example was taking a friend to show them what it was like, on the roads out as we pootled round they said all the above, "instant torque", "like a rocket", "stupid fast". And yet, when we got to a clear road, and hit the gas, all I got was expletives and references to religion. It was a classic example of someone that knew the theory, but not the practice. And even with that theory as a warning the practice part knocked their socks off.
Just the most recent real world example was taking a friend to show them what it was like, on the roads out as we pootled round they said all the above, "instant torque", "like a rocket", "stupid fast". And yet, when we got to a clear road, and hit the gas, all I got was expletives and references to religion. It was a classic example of someone that knew the theory, but not the practice. And even with that theory as a warning the practice part knocked their socks off.
ZesPak said:
Ever been in an electric car?
Been in? Yes. A Leaf, a Zoe and a Model 3. That last one was fast. Driven? Nope. Due to having to have hand controls fitted, test drives aren't really a thing, I just have to decide on reviews and what other owners are saying.
I'm definitely excited. Apparently the 0-30 of the Honda is deceptively nippy, which is the most relevant speed, it being a city car and all. The very tight turning circle looks dead handy too.
So many months to wait though
phil4 said:
He's right... you can "know" all about the instant torque, and the fast 0-60s... but unless you've been in an EV, it's highly likely you don't know how they accelerate.
Just the most recent real world example was taking a friend to show them what it was like, on the roads out as we pootled round they said all the above, "instant torque", "like a rocket", "stupid fast". And yet, when we got to a clear road, and hit the gas, all I got was expletives and references to religion. It was a classic example of someone that knew the theory, but not the practice. And even with that theory as a warning the practice part knocked their socks off.
This, absolutely....Just the most recent real world example was taking a friend to show them what it was like, on the roads out as we pootled round they said all the above, "instant torque", "like a rocket", "stupid fast". And yet, when we got to a clear road, and hit the gas, all I got was expletives and references to religion. It was a classic example of someone that knew the theory, but not the practice. And even with that theory as a warning the practice part knocked their socks off.
I also tend to get arm and leg flailage.... on top of the swearing!!!
Greg_D said:
phil4 said:
He's right... you can "know" all about the instant torque, and the fast 0-60s... but unless you've been in an EV, it's highly likely you don't know how they accelerate.
Just the most recent real world example was taking a friend to show them what it was like, on the roads out as we pootled round they said all the above, "instant torque", "like a rocket", "stupid fast". And yet, when we got to a clear road, and hit the gas, all I got was expletives and references to religion. It was a classic example of someone that knew the theory, but not the practice. And even with that theory as a warning the practice part knocked their socks off.
This, absolutely....Just the most recent real world example was taking a friend to show them what it was like, on the roads out as we pootled round they said all the above, "instant torque", "like a rocket", "stupid fast". And yet, when we got to a clear road, and hit the gas, all I got was expletives and references to religion. It was a classic example of someone that knew the theory, but not the practice. And even with that theory as a warning the practice part knocked their socks off.
I also tend to get arm and leg flailage.... on top of the swearing!!!
TheRainMaker said:
Greg_D said:
phil4 said:
He's right... you can "know" all about the instant torque, and the fast 0-60s... but unless you've been in an EV, it's highly likely you don't know how they accelerate.
Just the most recent real world example was taking a friend to show them what it was like, on the roads out as we pootled round they said all the above, "instant torque", "like a rocket", "stupid fast". And yet, when we got to a clear road, and hit the gas, all I got was expletives and references to religion. It was a classic example of someone that knew the theory, but not the practice. And even with that theory as a warning the practice part knocked their socks off.
This, absolutely....Just the most recent real world example was taking a friend to show them what it was like, on the roads out as we pootled round they said all the above, "instant torque", "like a rocket", "stupid fast". And yet, when we got to a clear road, and hit the gas, all I got was expletives and references to religion. It was a classic example of someone that knew the theory, but not the practice. And even with that theory as a warning the practice part knocked their socks off.
I also tend to get arm and leg flailage.... on top of the swearing!!!
You get there in the same time but there is no 'low down' and it's a different feeling.
That being said, yes any car with that kind of acceleration will be quite entertaining!
ks. It'll sell well!anonymous said:
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I reckon this does come into it more than a bit. My DR520-spec C63 Estate could do 0-60 in 4.0 seconds, and my Evora can manage the same in 3.8ish if you get a really good launch. And yet... with a really good hook up off the line, the Merc would feel faster, at least to me. So I do think noise and engine characteristics come into it, as well as any preconceptions you might have consciously or subconsciously formed about the car. That said, yes, any car that is 3.something seconds to 60 is pretty damn quick in the eyes of most people
I think the only change I'm going to (or really can) make to the car when I get it are the wheels, instead of black with silver 'spoke' highlights I'd really quite like silver with body colour spokes.
leglessAlex said:
Google tells me that I do about 20-25 miles on an average day, and sometimes less than that. If I can stick it on charge for 30-45 mins every other day that should be loads and loads, and if I have to go three or four days between charges, that should be fine.
I'm just really excited to be trying something new. I like the design, and I like idea of near-silent motoring, especially in the very early morning.
We did a quick audit of how we use our cars. Live in a village as a family of 4, with 11yo and 14yo kids. I work from home, my wife's work is a 35 mile round trip. The rest of the time is spent going to training, the train station, food shopping, ferrying the teenager to football, friends, etc etc. Lots of short trips, mostly with one or two people.I'm just really excited to be trying something new. I like the design, and I like idea of near-silent motoring, especially in the very early morning.
So we bought a Smart ForTwo EQ, with a whole 17.6kw battery and a 60mile real world range and it's great.
Admittedly, we've had Smart cars before so 'get it'.
£195/m (1+23) for the top spec with leather, glass roof etc on 12k pa. £0.88 to fill it up each night.
The ICE does the fun, distance and seats when needed.
anonymous said:
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I think it's a combination of a few things. 1) The entirely unassuming look of most EVs. 2) The complete lack of sound or drama build up. 3) The instant torque, like a light switch.With most petrol cars you've give the person plenty of clues, how the car looks, how it sounds, the downshift, the build of revs etc. etc. And then when it comes to acceleration there's usually a torque curve, so usually build to max acceleration, especially if a gear shift or two is needed.
If you take those away, no real visual or aural clues, no gear changes and a instant and flat torque curve... it feels very different.
SCEtoAUX said:
Leaf driver here. 55k miles under my belt. My car has an Eco button.
When I've been driven gently, pressing the Eco button might show 1mph more of range.
To all intents and purposes Eco mode does nothing. It is a sales gimmick. You can achieve Eco mode by not using the heater and driving appropriately.
Cars with two motors can optimise further I guess. IPACE Eco mode now splits the torque differently in ECO, and then motors of different magnet/induction selection can optimise for efficient at the expense of other things.When I've been driven gently, pressing the Eco button might show 1mph more of range.
To all intents and purposes Eco mode does nothing. It is a sales gimmick. You can achieve Eco mode by not using the heater and driving appropriately.
b11ocx said:
The positivity, comments and appreciation of the Honda is amazing as an owner.
Had lots of thumbs up from other motorists which is a surprise
Had lots of thumbs up from other motorists which is a surprise
I can imagine. It looks cute enough and the brand doesn't offend anyone.
Most people coming up to me and positive feedback I had was with the Twizy. Never experienced anything like it.
b11ocx said:
The positivity, comments and appreciation of the Honda is amazing as an owner.
Had lots of thumbs up from other motorists which is a surprise
They’ve nailed the design of it. Must be great to own and drive one. I’ll be trying to justify one in a couple of years (i.e man maths).Had lots of thumbs up from other motorists which is a surprise
F20CN16 said:
They’ve nailed the design of it.
+1There are a few things I would change but overall I think they have done really well with the design.
I remember reading that the success of the "e" design came as a big surprise to Honda. They were originally going to do something aggressive and angular to fit with their existing design language, but they took a risk on this and everyone loved it. And the Jazz design was then quickly modified to give a bit more of a cutesy look.
It will be interesting to see whether the cutesy design language transitions to the new Civic early next year.
I've just bought one to replace my 94Ah i3 rex, which was my second one and prior the first Zoe. Our family car is a Tesla M3.
Much is said about the price of these things; but yet no-one said that about i3's which regularly sold around the 40k mark. I paid 26k for a 1k mile car. There are around 50 dealer demonstrators for sale today. I obviously feel happier about that price point that the full RRP and ye, I know most people will lease them.
Although the i3 was my 'town car' used to drive to work and back and as a City runabout, we used is a lot at weekends with family - kids of 8 and 12.
First thoughts of the 'e' - acknowledging the novelty value of something new tends to bias one to feeling really good about it.
Ride - less pitch and roll over speed bums etc and miles better on the motorway
Handling - equivalent gusto round corners, obv lock is better
Tech - miles better, apart from the app which I can't get to connect yet. The car has all sorts of stuff you can't read much about including radar cruise, active lane keeping (it steers for you including round gentle away bends but nothing more than that). The camera wing mirrors are great. The camera rear view mirror will tae a bit of getting used to because obv it shows an image of what's behind the car, not the rear seats / windscreen / boot etc, which then messes with the distance or depth perception your brain is used to computing. Excellent stereo and faultless Apple CarPlay etc.
Boot - yes its small but big enough for a small working cocker spaniel and / my work bags /. coats etc
Charging - no issues across 7kw and 50-150kw rapids (stopped at the Milton Keynes coach way hub on way from collection)
Refinement: quieter than i3.
Interior - miles better in flash than in pics; high quality and very funky
And as a poster above said, LOADS on on street curiosity and interest - been stopped baby a load of folks today to ask about it. Don't love the attention myself, but its very positive twards the car.
So, short first summary - very pleased with it.
By the way: I had an e-208 on order through a work lease scheme that would have been very cheap - but kept being delayed with latest delivery estimate early Feb from order end-July so I said no thanks. Objectively that's a better car (range etc) but subjectively definitely not in my opinion and right now I feel happy with the choice.
Much is said about the price of these things; but yet no-one said that about i3's which regularly sold around the 40k mark. I paid 26k for a 1k mile car. There are around 50 dealer demonstrators for sale today. I obviously feel happier about that price point that the full RRP and ye, I know most people will lease them.
Although the i3 was my 'town car' used to drive to work and back and as a City runabout, we used is a lot at weekends with family - kids of 8 and 12.
First thoughts of the 'e' - acknowledging the novelty value of something new tends to bias one to feeling really good about it.
Ride - less pitch and roll over speed bums etc and miles better on the motorway
Handling - equivalent gusto round corners, obv lock is better
Tech - miles better, apart from the app which I can't get to connect yet. The car has all sorts of stuff you can't read much about including radar cruise, active lane keeping (it steers for you including round gentle away bends but nothing more than that). The camera wing mirrors are great. The camera rear view mirror will tae a bit of getting used to because obv it shows an image of what's behind the car, not the rear seats / windscreen / boot etc, which then messes with the distance or depth perception your brain is used to computing. Excellent stereo and faultless Apple CarPlay etc.
Boot - yes its small but big enough for a small working cocker spaniel and / my work bags /. coats etc
Charging - no issues across 7kw and 50-150kw rapids (stopped at the Milton Keynes coach way hub on way from collection)
Refinement: quieter than i3.
Interior - miles better in flash than in pics; high quality and very funky
And as a poster above said, LOADS on on street curiosity and interest - been stopped baby a load of folks today to ask about it. Don't love the attention myself, but its very positive twards the car.
So, short first summary - very pleased with it.
By the way: I had an e-208 on order through a work lease scheme that would have been very cheap - but kept being delayed with latest delivery estimate early Feb from order end-July so I said no thanks. Objectively that's a better car (range etc) but subjectively definitely not in my opinion and right now I feel happy with the choice.
squirejo said:
Refinement: quieter than i3.
I'd love to get to the bottom of this. In Bjorn's tests it was very noisy and when I test drove one it was noisy on the motorway. Lots of road noise, almost sounded like one of the back windows was open (I checked, they were not). And this was in summer.Yet other people say it's quieter than many other cars known for being fairly well insulated for sound. It seems like it is for wind noise and engine noise from fossils, but maybe not for road noise. Smooth tarmac is okay but other surfaces get loud.
Or maybe it's a QC issue.
In any case the issue right now is that you can get a 64kWh eNiro 3 for £230/month with £2k down on lease. The Honda e is about £305/month with £2k down (both 5k miles). So while the e is a lovely car it's both expensive and far less practical than the competition.
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