Honda e

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SWoll

18,380 posts

258 months

Monday 8th July 2019
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Toaster said:
RobDickinson said:
I think price will be more of an issue than range, 200km is fine for a city car, you won't be road tripping in this
Honda have clearly researched the market for a 'City' car and this one will do very nicely
In Japan maybe, but for Europe?

Best selling small cars in the UK are the Fiesta, Corsa and Polo which can be had between £10k and £15k brand new, as can the Honda Jazz. How many of those buyers do you think are going to be willing to pay at least twice that to save a few £ on fuel?

The majority of the tech that is adding to the cost is also going to be pointless based on it's likely use. Who cares about drag when it's pottering around town at 30mph?

And I still think the limited range will put people off, even if they don't really need any more than it offers in reality.


HTP99

22,552 posts

140 months

Monday 8th July 2019
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SWoll said:
Best selling small cars in the UK are the Fiesta, Corsa and Polo which can be had between £10k and £15k brand new, as can the Honda Jazz. How many of those buyers do you think are going to be willing to pay at least twice that to save a few £ on fuel?

The majority of the tech that is adding to the cost is also going to be pointless based on it's likely use. Who cares about drag when it's pottering around town at 30mph?

And I still think the limited range will put people off, even if they don't really need any more than it offers in reality.
That's not the point though with electric cars, they are all expensive at the moment but they are the future and every manufacturer needs to get in on the act, prices will eventually come down.

I agree with the range though; this will be very niche compared to the established players, in Europe anyway but then I can imagine that supply will be very limited.

ajprice

27,484 posts

196 months

Monday 8th July 2019
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SWoll said:
In Japan maybe, but for Europe?

Best selling small cars in the UK are the Fiesta, Corsa and Polo which can be had between £10k and £15k brand new, as can the Honda Jazz. How many of those buyers do you think are going to be willing to pay at least twice that to save a few £ on fuel?

The majority of the tech that is adding to the cost is also going to be pointless based on it's likely use. Who cares about drag when it's pottering around town at 30mph?

And I still think the limited range will put people off, even if they don't really need any more than it offers in reality.
The Honda E is half a size smaller than Fiesta/Corsa etc. It's more like 3 door Mini and Fiat 500 size, and with the styling and tech, probably more like the 'trend' market they are going for. Not the plain cheap mass market cars.

Edited by ajprice on Monday 8th July 15:48

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 8th July 2019
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SWoll said:
In Japan maybe, but for Europe?
I used to have a 24kWh Leaf, it was fine. Did regular 130 mile round-trips in it.

The only thing that has really changed is that that was five years ago, and now I expect more so that I don't need to charge away from home so much and can more easily do occasional long trips.

granada203028

1,483 posts

197 months

Monday 8th July 2019
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kuro68k said:
I used to have a 24kWh Leaf, it was fine. Did regular 130 mile round-trips in it.

The only thing that has really changed is that that was five years ago, and now I expect more so that I don't need to charge away from home so much and can more easily do occasional long trips.
Crumbs you must have driven it carefully, barely achieved half that when mine was new let alone now its done 70K.


HTP99

22,552 posts

140 months

Monday 8th July 2019
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granada203028 said:
kuro68k said:
I used to have a 24kWh Leaf, it was fine. Did regular 130 mile round-trips in it.

The only thing that has really changed is that that was five years ago, and now I expect more so that I don't need to charge away from home so much and can more easily do occasional long trips.
Crumbs you must have driven it carefully, barely achieved half that when mine was new let alone now its done 70K.
Must have charged at the destination as there is no way a 24kWh Leaf would do 130 miles on a single charge, I've managed 100 miles with 6 showing remaining (I think this bettered the actual real world figures published by Renault in the brochure) in a 22kWh ZOE and that was trying bloody hard.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 9th July 2019
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granada203028 said:
Crumbs you must have driven it carefully, barely achieved half that when mine was new let alone now its done 70K.
I just charged it for a couple of hours at the destination before coming back.

That was then, now I'd want a bigger battery.

Inverness

547 posts

178 months

Friday 12th July 2019
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I really like this but hope it will be the same price or less than the electric mini, otherwise it will be another slow seller for Honda

https://youtu.be/3DAf8o3yxHE

Shaw Tarse

Original Poster:

31,543 posts

203 months

Friday 12th July 2019
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If just lifting off accelerator causes the car to slow "dramatically" do brake lights illuminate?

EddieSteadyGo

11,938 posts

203 months

Friday 12th July 2019
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Shaw Tarse said:
If just lifting off accelerator causes the car to slow "dramatically" do brake lights illuminate?
Yes.

funinhounslow

1,629 posts

142 months

Saturday 13th July 2019
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Toaster said:
RobDickinson said:
I think price will be more of an issue than range, 200km is fine for a city car, you won't be road tripping in this
Honda have clearly researched the market for a 'City' car and this one will do very nicely
But it's going to be £25k+ ...! To me that seems absurdly expensive for something that's only really suitable for commuting and popping to the shops

Why not buy a 500/Up!/Ignis for half the price? At last then you could pop to the seaside on a whim on a day like today without worrying about how you're going to get home

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

254 months

Saturday 13th July 2019
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Because japan won't care about the cost or range?

UK will have ulez zones you prob don't want to drive an ignis in.

funinhounslow

1,629 posts

142 months

Saturday 13th July 2019
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RobDickinson said:
Because japan won't care about the cost or range?

UK will have ulez zones you prob don't want to drive an ignis in.
I would have thought cost and range are the two main considerations when thinking about an electric car. Why wouldn't this be the case in Japan also?

I don't know the ins and outs of ULEZs but I wouldn't have thought the owner of a relatively modern 1 litre city car would have much to worry about?

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 22nd August 2019
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Just had an email confirming my pre-order. Expected delivery in "spring 2020".

Smiljan

10,838 posts

197 months

Tuesday 10th September 2019
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The site is fully up and running now.

https://www.honda.co.uk/cars/new/honda-e/offers.ht...

Basic car is £26000+ after £3500 grant has been applied. Any colour but yellow is another £500 taking it to £27k base price.

Gandahar

9,600 posts

128 months

Tuesday 10th September 2019
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Smiljan said:
The site is fully up and running now.

https://www.honda.co.uk/cars/new/honda-e/offers.ht...

Basic car is £26000+ after £3500 grant has been applied. Any colour but yellow is another £500 taking it to £27k base price.
Thanks, I still haven't seen any pictures of the back seats or boot yet.

People are photographing other cars over there !

SWoll

18,380 posts

258 months

Tuesday 10th September 2019
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Still looks expensive to me but when you consider Vauxhall are likely to try asking similar for the Corsa-E perhaps not?

Smiljan

10,838 posts

197 months

Tuesday 10th September 2019
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Backseat is shown on the Honda site now



No split fold and quite a high hinge line similar to the Nissan Leaf.

SWoll

18,380 posts

258 months

Tuesday 10th September 2019
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Odd they didn't use the space in the middle for cup holders etc. like the i3 as clearly only a 2 seater back there? Not very practical without split fold either?

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 11th September 2019
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SWoll said:
Still looks expensive to me but when you consider Vauxhall are likely to try asking similar for the Corsa-E perhaps not?
Yeah, but then you would have to drive a Corsa. Seriously, their car is a crappy fossil conversion, it will not be anything like as good as a proper purpose built EV platform.

The e is looking really good. Autopilot, lovely interior, CCS2 so it charges fast.

I was worried about the small battery but I think it will be okay with fast charging. Bjorn recently compared the Leaf 62 to the old Ioniq (28kWh, so less than half). The Ioniq was faster over long distance because it could keep charging at 70+ Kw, where as the Leaf got hammered by rapidgate and ended up charging at just 19kW.