Honda e

[aestetix1]

itcaptainslow said:

Nope-Honda state circa 130 miles from memory, the range indicator when I borrowed one hovered around 110 miles max.

It seems quite similar to the Leaf 30 in that regard, so comments about the range of that apply.

If you only do occasional long trips and don't mind dropping down to 60 you can get over 100 miles out of it, but most people want to do 75 on the motorway.

[sjg]

I've had nearly 2 years in an egolf with very similar range and charging speed. How it works for you depends a lot on the charging infrastructure - if there are proper hubs along the journeys I did so I was confident I can just roll up, plug in and be done in 20ish minutes, great. When it's a broken single Polar in the back of a hotel car park (or a couple of motorway services chargers with a queue) and 15+ miles to the next one - not great. I'm also in SE London though and do Dover day trips a few times a year, there's quite a few options along that route now.

As it is, I'm happy to do any distances in it by myself as long as they're not time-pressured, I don't mind a bit of planning and contingency. There's still some journeys and some circumstances though where I scout around on zap-map and decide I can't be bothered, or that I don't want to have my mid-journey stop with the family at a petrol station in the middle of nowhere.

Will that improve? Yes. Will that improve quickly enough as mass adoption happens? Maybe, maybe not. Having thought about it a lot, I think that for now I'll be much happier in a 200+ mile car that gives me far more flexibility about when and where I charge.

[ajprice]

This is more of a general EV question, but is there much difference in long term battery life between driving til the battery is low then charging up fully, and topping up the battery regularly when it's possible, even if there's still 3/4 or half charge left in the battery?

[anonymous-user]

ajprice said:

This is more of a general EV question, but is there much difference in long term battery life between driving til the battery is low then charging up fully, and topping up the battery regularly when it's possible, even if there's still 3/4 or half charge left in the battery?

Like any Li-on battery you can extend the life by not charging it fully and not discharging it fully. With 3/4 you should probably not charge, but instead run it down to 10-15%. Unless you need to fully charge for a specific reason.

[anonymous-user]

Cascade360 said:

aestetix1 said:

Bigger battery may be coming. There is an SUV version of e due in the next year or two which will presumably have a bigger battery, and the e may benefit from the same upgrade.

I don't want an SUV version

There are enough bloated SUV EVs. That's the reason I wanted the Honda E in the first place ...

Here it is. Basically an electric HRV.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/353269/honda-su...

[aestetix1]

ajprice said:

This is more of a general EV question, but is there much difference in long term battery life between driving til the battery is low then charging up fully, and topping up the battery regularly when it's possible, even if there's still 3/4 or half charge left in the battery?

There is some small benefit, but it depends on the car. Honda have a massive buffer so chances are charging to 100% constantly is fine, as in reality it's probably only 85-90% of the real capacity anyway.

[leglessAlex]

aestetix1 said:

ajprice said:

This is more of a general EV question, but is there much difference in long term battery life between driving til the battery is low then charging up fully, and topping up the battery regularly when it's possible, even if there's still 3/4 or half charge left in the battery?

There is some small benefit, but it depends on the car. Honda have a massive buffer so chances are charging to 100% constantly is fine, as in reality it's probably only 85-90% of the real capacity anyway.

81%!

Honda is ultra conservative with the battery, 35kWh with only 28.5kWh usable I believe.

Should mean that really it’ll be many many years, miles and battery cycles before you actually see any degradation in the range.

[ChocolateFrog]

I've still never seen one on the road.

Kind of disappointed as I wanted to park my Mk1 Insight next to one for a good side by side.

I'm guessing they've only sold a couple of hundred in the UK so far.

[anonymous-user]

In Perth i have spotted more classic beetles than these in the last year lol , only 2-1 but still !

[Smiljan]

Couple of thousand sold so far.

[ARFBY]

I've just spotted one of the first imports in Singapore, it was yellow, not the best colour for these little things I think.

It's a very cool looking car, I'd love to have one, but as with all cars here, the price is just too much for me to justify.... £95,000.

[ajprice]

ChocolateFrog said:

I've still never seen one on the road.

Kind of disappointed as I wanted to park my Mk1 Insight next to one for a good side by side.

I'm guessing they've only sold a couple of hundred in the UK so far.

49 standard and 1207 Advance models on How Many Left
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/honda_e
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/honda_e_adva...

[Luke.]

ajprice said:

49 standard and 1207 Advance models on How Many Left
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/honda_e
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/honda_e_adva...

Is that it? I'm amazed. I see a white and a yellow one most days. White works far better IMO.

[aestetix1]

leglessAlex said:

81%!

Honda is ultra conservative with the battery, 35kWh with only 28.5kWh usable I believe.

Should mean that really it’ll be many many years, miles and battery cycles before you actually see any degradation in the range.

Sure, but some of that buffer is at he bottom to prevent you over-discharging it. So a full charge is probably around 90% of the total capacity, maybe 85%, with 9%/4% at the bottom. Makes sense to have more buffer at the top because most owners will just plug it in and let it charge overnight. Going below 5% is going to be a very rare thing.

[leglessAlex]

Yeah, actually I said ultra-conservative without checking what other manufacturers do, looks like about 80% usable is what most are doing!

That seems good to me though, there are some 10 year old Tesla’s out there that still have pretty usable ranges I think…

[aestetix1]

leglessAlex said:

Yeah, actually I said ultra-conservative without checking what other manufacturers do, looks like about 80% usable is what most are doing!

That seems good to me though, there are some 10 year old Tesla’s out there that still have pretty usable ranges I think…

I much prefer the way that Kia and Hyundai do it. They state 64kWh usable, and the actual battery is more like 69kWh. It's much clearer to state what the usable capacity is.

[JonnyVTEC]

leglessAlex said:

Yeah, actually I said ultra-conservative without checking what other manufacturers do, looks like about 80% usable is what most are doing!

That seems good to me though, there are some 10 year old Tesla’s out there that still have pretty usable ranges I think…

Source?

80% strikes me as very low, i dont think its even close to what others are doing. Pretty much all >90%

[Otispunkmeyer]

ChocolateFrog said:

I've still never seen one on the road.

Kind of disappointed as I wanted to park my Mk1 Insight next to one for a good side by side.

I'm guessing they've only sold a couple of hundred in the UK so far.

I've seen one. But given where I work, it's not surprising to see the latest cars.

But I have actually seen, out on the open road, a new 500e. I think that car is a wonderful bit of design. The Honda is cutesy in the typical Japanese anime way, but the proportions do look a bit odd from some angles. The 500e is just well resolved no matter how you look at it. Its rear arches have a nice flare to them.

[towser44]

One of these passed us on Saturday morning. Fab looking thing, one of the few new cars I'd buy at the moment (if I could afford one!)

[Cascade360]

I'm still thinking about one of these. Third car; EV for commute and shopping, sports car for weekend jaunts, and a third modern classic for longer journeys and fiddling with. Salary sacrifice deal works out about 340 net or 600 gross i.e. cheap net but price gougingly expensive gross ...