Honda e

[EddieSteadyGo]

Cascade360 said:

I'm still thinking about one of these. Third car; EV for commute and shopping, sports car for weekend jaunts, and a third modern classic for longer journeys and fiddling with. Salary sacrifice deal works out about 340 net or 600 gross i.e. cheap net but price gougingly expensive gross ...

Perfect third car I would say.

I know it isn't an original comment, but from my own test drive, it drives far better than our e-niro and looks way better. If it wasn't for the lack of range (and the lack of a central arm rest), I would have bought one as our second car.

[The Don of Croy]

Took delivery last week, only driven 150 miles since.

Wifey absolutely loves it. Cute, well designed, drives better than the Jazz we traded in, charging off the domestic 3pin off peak.

Wait till we have to exceed the range to get somewhere then the dream might sour. Until then, it’s all smiles.

[Four Seasons Total Landscaping]

Looking at the video, I don't think this will fit a Honda e. Even if it doesn't foul the actual charge point cover, it'll certainly hit the metal clip under it!

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-1...

[ajprice]

There were a few at the Late Brake Show in Manchester on Saturday, and I had a sit in one. I fit (I'm 6'6"), and I liked it inside, including the mirror screens. As usual with small cars, it would be a 3 seater as nobody's getting in behind me. I sat in a new shape Fiat 500e too, that wasn't so good, a bit tight in there for me, same as the old petrol one.

[bennno]

Range too low for asking price. Interesting trinket, but iD3 does it better for similar money.

[Irrotational]

Had mine for a year+ now - still really love it and it does get looks/stares from people occasionally as there really don't seem to be many around.

The range is low but our max travel distance is either 80 miles or 500 miles (which we would not do in a small car as we'd have holiday luggage etc)...so it works well for us.

Our local council is persistent in offering free electricity so it's saved us about £1,200 to £1,500 in fuel over the 10k miles we've done.

If folks live in cities, or very rarely do 80+ miles in one go, I would highly recommend it. To be honest, charging on the go is generally fine, so doing 200+ in a day is feasible, as a rare thing, every now and then. I would totally do a road trip in it as an adventure.

Obviously if you're a travelling sales person on the M6 bashing out 400 miles a day, this is not the car for you.

[aestetix1]

Irrotational said:

Had mine for a year+ now - still really love it and it does get looks/stares from people occasionally as there really don't seem to be many around.

The range is low but our max travel distance is either 80 miles or 500 miles (which we would not do in a small car as we'd have holiday luggage etc)...so it works well for us.

Our local council is persistent in offering free electricity so it's saved us about £1,200 to £1,500 in fuel over the 10k miles we've done.

If folks live in cities, or very rarely do 80+ miles in one go, I would highly recommend it. To be honest, charging on the go is generally fine, so doing 200+ in a day is feasible, as a rare thing, every now and then. I would totally do a road trip in it as an adventure.

Obviously if you're a travelling sales person on the M6 bashing out 400 miles a day, this is not the car for you.

Thanks, mirrors my experience with various Leafs and back then charging infrastructure wasn't as good.

If they did some good deals on one I'd buy it, but at the moment all cars are very expensive. I wish I had got one a year ago, they were cheap and it would probably not have depreciated at all.

[epsilonvaz]

I've been considering one of these as the used prices have been dropping sharply.

Still concerned about the residual value. I think people are put off by the range. Any truth to the rumour that Honda will stop producing these?

[_Rodders_]

epsilonvaz said:

I've been considering one of these as the used prices have been dropping sharply.

Still concerned about the residual value. I think people are put off by the range. Any truth to the rumour that Honda will stop producing these?

I don't know the sales figures but I can guess that they've been dismal. I've only ever seen one in the wild.

I think longterm residuals will be pretty good due to their rarity and lack of direct competitors but short and medium term it wouldn't surprise me if they continue to slide.

[bennno]

_Rodders_ said:

I don't know the sales figures but I can guess that they've been dismal. I've only ever seen one in the wild.

I think longterm residuals will be pretty good due to their rarity and lack of direct competitors but short and medium term it wouldn't surprise me if they continue to slide.

The values are only back to where they were 18 months ago….. they got inflated due to chip shortages and inflated fuel prices.

Fuel has dropped, electricity increased significantly, chip shortages have resolved themselves.

[Maracus]

A 100 - 120 mile range is plenty for a second car.

My wife has a MINI Electric with a similar range and it's never been charged away from home in the year/7000 miles we've had it. It never does more than 50 miles a day and is only a 100Kg heavier than the petrol version.

[leglessAlex]

Maracus said:

A 100 - 120 mile range is plenty for a second car.

At the moment, with the cold weather and the heater on, and at NSL speeds in the countryside as opposed to a city, I'm seeing 70 miles estimated range at most in my e, and I don't think I'd be comfortable doing more than 50 miles in a day, I'd start getting anxious about the range.

Don't get me wrong, as you might point out that's plenty for a second car, but only as long as your first car is sitting on the drive in case you need it. Several times recently I've had a couple of things to do locally and not had the range to do it all in the Honda, I'd have been a little stuck if my other car was being used by my other half or something.

I'm still a huge fan of the e, it makes me want to drive it unlike most of the other electric cars on the market, but I think realistically it's way too compromised outside of a city to justify it's very high price, at least in my eyes. Plenty of people will have a different view.

I do seem to like funky but maybe slightly flawed EVs, I have my eye on an ID. Buzz

[Maracus]

leglessAlex said:

Maracus said:

A 100 - 120 mile range is plenty for a second car.

At the moment, with the cold weather and the heater on, and at NSL speeds in the countryside as opposed to a city, I'm seeing 70 miles estimated range at most in my e, and I don't think I'd be comfortable doing more than 50 miles in a day, I'd start getting anxious about the range.

That is certainly not enough

The MINI will see 100 miles in the winter with a mix of urban, and NSLs and as much 145 in the Summer.

[epsilonvaz]

Yes I also think it's enough as I can charge on my drive. However, not everyone will and that perception may make it quite a niche car, may devalue quite quickly.

[EddieSteadyGo]

F20CN16 said:

Yeah that’s another issue with the e, it’s inefficient as well as having a smaller battery than others. IIRC it’s 30-35kWh.

Is it inefficient? I thought the main issue was the battery buffer Honda had decided to use, which hampers the available 'usable' battery capacity and hence causes range to be worse than similar cars like the electric mini etc.

Personally, I had expected Honda by now would have changed that decision via a software update. Plus it really needs a refresh/update to get the battery capacity something over 40kwh at a minimum.

[Mark-ri571]

Maracus said:

That is certainly not enough

The MINI will see 100 miles in the winter with a mix of urban, and NSLs and as much 145 in the Summer.

We also see 100 miles this winter on our Mini guess o meter for a 100% charge. Suspect the guessometer is pessimistic but am ok with a 100 mile winter range as I drive with heated seats on and temperature at 19c. We mainly drive in Mid setting with a bit of spirited driving in Sport setting.

[leglessAlex]

EddieSteadyGo said:

Is it inefficient?

I've had in excess of 4.5 miles/kWh in a city, but my average over 5k miles is 3.2 miles/kWh. I know there's a user-reported database out there where you can compare what people are actually getting out of their cars, but I can't for the life of me remember what it is.

At the moment with the weather I'm struggling to get 2.5 miles/kWh. With 28kWh usable, that's pretty bad.

[epsilonvaz]

Interesting figures, that's such a shame as there is a lot of good tech in that car.

[sixor8]

There's over 100 Honda E on Autotrader, and the cheapest is a '20 reg at £24k. With its size and low range, they'd need to be good, because there are plenty of alternatives such as Nissan Leaf, VW eGolf and Up, and Fiat 500e, some even newer, for under £20k.

[bennno]

leglessAlex said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

Is it inefficient?

I've had in excess of 4.5 miles/kWh in a city, but my average over 5k miles is 3.2 miles/kWh. I know there's a user-reported database out there where you can compare what people are actually getting out of their cars, but I can't for the life of me remember what it is.

At the moment with the weather I'm struggling to get 2.5 miles/kWh. With 28kWh usable, that's pretty bad.

I’m getting 3,2kwh from a much bigger ionic 5