Discussion
SWoll said:
I'd tend to agree but with the caveat that in the worst of UK winter weather the range is likely to be more like 75 miles or less which even for someone who does minimal town miles is likely to cause a bit of range anxiety and make it useless for the odd longer trip?
I doubt it. Used to do a 65 mile trip in a Leaf 24 in winter and still arrived with 20%. Uphill too.But it's not really important. If you want more range get a Leaf. There isn't really anything else at this price point - the Model 3 is at least 12 grand more, 14k more than the standard version of the E.
Mini is a converted ICE, Leaf is dated, Zoe I don't know TBH, MG is an ICE conversion...
They priced it about right for the target market. Even the base model at 26k is unlike anything else.
Sheepshanks said:
It doesn't look like the kind of car I'd want to do 250-300 miles in.
OTOH the max mileage my wife, and I suspect a huge number of other people, does in a day is ~25.
So it'd be more than fine for her - although she still like to tell me, in a voice like she's freaking out, that all the chargers were occupied at wherever it is she's been to.
If she is going to do circa 25 miles why wouldn't you go for a used Leaf?OTOH the max mileage my wife, and I suspect a huge number of other people, does in a day is ~25.
So it'd be more than fine for her - although she still like to tell me, in a voice like she's freaking out, that all the chargers were occupied at wherever it is she's been to.
aestetix1 said:
It's here and it's a disaster.
Looks great, loads of cool tech... But the 20 minute charge time is more like 45 minutes and it's less efficient than the original Leaf. Noisy too.
Not really a 2020 EV, might have done okay about six years ago.
It's a niche product, aimed at city dwellers, with a certain type of lifestyle. Most of the 200 pre orders were from people living in London. I suspect noise and efficiency are not that much of an issue if your journeys are a few miles here and there in stop start slow London traffic. Looks great, loads of cool tech... But the 20 minute charge time is more like 45 minutes and it's less efficient than the original Leaf. Noisy too.
Not really a 2020 EV, might have done okay about six years ago.
It will do alright in its niche market.
raspy said:
It's a niche product, aimed at city dwellers, with a certain type of lifestyle. Most of the 200 pre orders were from people living in London. I suspect noise and efficiency are not that much of an issue if your journeys are a few miles here and there in stop start slow London traffic.
It will do alright in its niche market.
I hope not, might pick one up for 20k in a few months.It will do alright in its niche market.
Seriously though there seem to be a lot of cancellations. People aren't buying luxury items and dealers are saying there is inventory available.
aestetix1 said:
I hope not, might pick one up for 20k in a few months.
Seriously though there seem to be a lot of cancellations. People aren't buying luxury items and dealers are saying there is inventory available.
I see. Probably not the best year to be launching niche products that are expensive for what they are. I do hope you are right about prices dropping. I might also consider picking one up if they discount them down to 20k this year. Seriously though there seem to be a lot of cancellations. People aren't buying luxury items and dealers are saying there is inventory available.
raspy said:
aestetix1 said:
I hope not, might pick one up for 20k in a few months.
Seriously though there seem to be a lot of cancellations. People aren't buying luxury items and dealers are saying there is inventory available.
I see. Probably not the best year to be launching niche products that are expensive for what they are. I do hope you are right about prices dropping. I might also consider picking one up if they discount them down to 20k this year. Seriously though there seem to be a lot of cancellations. People aren't buying luxury items and dealers are saying there is inventory available.
My experiences of Honda aren't great after wanting to get a S2000 and ending up in a Lotus.
I just love the design and the mileage is very similar to my old BMW i3
s off all the Civic and Jazz owners.aestetix1 said:
I'd love to know what happened between last year when it was 0-80% in 20 minutes and today when it's more like 50.
I have a pre order but will cancel it unless there is a hefty discount. Maybe scrappage on my old ICE.
Unless it ended up with a 20kW battery pack, how was it ever going to charge that fast?I have a pre order but will cancel it unless there is a hefty discount. Maybe scrappage on my old ICE.
I had an engineering guy from BMW tell me the other day that the new BMW BEV would take 11 minutes to charge from 0-100%.
They are all delusional. Presumably they are told these lies by marketing? The real world is somewhat different.
Having said all that, I would actually consider the Honda for our second BEV if it dropped to £20k new. It's going in the right direction.
RobDickinson said:
honestly I cant see the fast charge speed being important for this car, its a city car and almost all of its trips will be much shorter than its range.
you wouldnt buy it otherwise.
If it's going to be your primary/only car then it's useful to have that option. When you need to exceed the range from time to time the slow charging and poor efficiency really start to add up.you wouldnt buy it otherwise.
Bjorn's 660km (410 mile) trip took 11 hours. Even shorter trips in say the 200 mile range, not unreasonable if you want to take a break somewhere, are going to add hours due to these problems.
Honda said it would do 0-80% in 20 minutes last year. If that was true it wouldn't be a problem at all. Why has it been downgraded so badly?
FurtiveFreddy said:
Unless it ended up with a 20kW battery pack, how was it ever going to charge that fast?
Having said all that, I would actually consider the Honda for our second BEV if it dropped to £20k new. It's going in the right direction.
A 20 minute charge assuming 33kWh usable would only be about 80kW. Cars in that price range can do that.Having said all that, I would actually consider the Honda for our second BEV if it dropped to £20k new. It's going in the right direction.
Oh and by the way the actual usable battery is only 28kW! There is a huge buffer, total capacity is 35.5kWh so 7.5kW in reserve.
As you say if it was 20k then yeah okay, but it's 30k and it's 2020 and it's been nerfed since last year which doesn't bode well for longevity.
Matty322 said:
They look awesome, and am seriously tempted.
nearly bought a pocket version the other week
(new honda showroom)
The model is of the concept - the production version doesn't look as good IMHO. Check out the number of doors for starters...nearly bought a pocket version the other week
(new honda showroom)
There is a coupe of the way, apparently - will be much more interested in that to be honest.
ChocolateFrog said:
My local Honda dealer had a whiff of insolvency about it before the lockdown, I can't imagine it's much better now.
It saddens me that Honda isnt a world leader on the engineering/tech side anymore.
I wonder if they'll sell more e's than they did gen 1 Insights, atleast in the UK.
The gen 1 insight had an import quota in the UK, so numbers were capped at a very low level IIRC.It saddens me that Honda isnt a world leader on the engineering/tech side anymore.
I wonder if they'll sell more e's than they did gen 1 Insights, atleast in the UK.
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