Porsche Taycan

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SWoll

18,422 posts

259 months

Saturday 14th December 2019
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Bobtherallyfan said:
Witchfinder said:
How much does that cost ya?
Who cares.....if you are worried about saving a few hundred pounds a year, buy a small hatchback and save yourself a fortune.
You'll be saving £1000's if you cover decent mileage (12-15k) in both fuel costs and servicing/maintenance. Probably enough to buy a small hatchback in fact. smile

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

255 months

Saturday 14th December 2019
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If your looking at bik your saving 20-25k a year also..(over panamera say)


Bobtherallyfan

1,269 posts

79 months

Saturday 14th December 2019
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SWoll said:
You'll be saving £1000's if you cover decent mileage (12-15k) in both fuel costs and servicing/maintenance. Probably enough to buy a small hatchback in fact. smile
I love the man maths......I’ll spend £40k to save £2500 a year in fuel. I used a similar argument with my wife.....buy a 911 and because we get there quicker, we use less fuel on the journey.

SWoll

18,422 posts

259 months

Saturday 14th December 2019
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Bobtherallyfan said:
SWoll said:
You'll be saving £1000's if you cover decent mileage (12-15k) in both fuel costs and servicing/maintenance. Probably enough to buy a small hatchback in fact. smile
I love the man maths......I’ll spend £40k to save £2500 a year in fuel. I used a similar argument with my wife.....buy a 911 and because we get there quicker, we use less fuel on the journey.
The Model 3 is an alternative to a similarly price 3-series, A4, C-Class.

I compared the Model 3 Performance to the M3, RS4 and C63. Cheaper, quicker, better equipped, more interior room and £1000's less to run over 2-3 years.


You can do the same with the SR+ and LR, for the spec, space and performance on offer they compare very well proce wise with German options.

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

255 months

Saturday 14th December 2019
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My model 3 perf $96,000, BMW M3 base spec $162,000 in NZ its not even close, the BMW will cost $5k a year in fuel and maint over the model 3 so double the cost over 6/7 years of use.


SWoll

18,422 posts

259 months

Sunday 15th December 2019
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Not quite such a massive gap in purchase price in the UK but still a good 20%.

cardigankid

8,849 posts

213 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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RobDickinson said:
My model 3 perf $96,000, BMW M3 base spec $162,000 in NZ its not even close, the BMW will cost $5k a year in fuel and maint over the model 3 so double the cost over 6/7 years of use.
Your problem is living in NZ, that's a ridiculous price to pay for an M3.

ZesPak

24,432 posts

197 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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cardigankid said:
Your problem is living in NZ, that's a ridiculous price to pay for an M3.
It's not just NZ. I know this is a UK forum, but the fact that these cars are taxed to the nines around the world means will have a serious impact. We've seen plenty of stuff just move mainstream as much as possible. Why so many SUVs? Why so little love for the estate? Affordable roasters? V8s?

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

255 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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cardigankid said:
Your problem is living in NZ, that's a ridiculous price to pay for an M3.
Its part of the problem yes.. Anything European here is expensive, Zoe is $68,000!

cc3

2,797 posts

117 months

ntiz

2,341 posts

137 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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cc3 said:
Very interesting thanks for posting it.

Mikehig

743 posts

62 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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A couple of articles featuring the Taycan on this site:
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/

The first one is about a fire involving a Taycan in a garage but is really only clickbait as the cause of the fire is unknown and may not even have been the car. In fairness, the article does make that point further down the page.

The second one reports on a range test against a Tesla S where the cars were run around a flat circuit at a steady 75 mph. The result was a bit surprising but it was hardly a representative test.

ZesPak

24,432 posts

197 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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Mikehig said:
A couple of articles featuring the Taycan on this site:
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/

The first one is about a fire involving a Taycan in a garage but is really only clickbait as the cause of the fire is unknown and may not even have been the car. In fairness, the article does make that point further down the page.
Be interesting to see how that still happens. Car fires are relatively common in general, but there are very few Taycans in the US at this time.
Mikehig said:
The second one reports on a range test against a Tesla S where the cars were run around a flat circuit at a steady 75 mph. The result was a bit surprising but it was hardly a representative test.
Not realy surprising considering the Taycan has two gears?

LG9k

443 posts

223 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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ZesPak said:
Not realy surprising considering the Taycan has two gears?
Does that make it better than the Tesla?

Daaaveee

910 posts

224 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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ZesPak said:
Not realy surprising considering the Taycan has two gears?
Comparing the EPA range of them I'd say it is rather surprising.

Dave Hedgehog

14,565 posts

205 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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LG9k said:
ZesPak said:
Not realy surprising considering the Taycan has two gears?
Does that make it better than the Tesla?
the faster you drive the more advantage the taycan will have with a gearbox

ZesPak

24,432 posts

197 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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LG9k said:
ZesPak said:
Not realy surprising considering the Taycan has two gears?
Does that make it better than the Tesla?
It probably causes additional drivetrain loses, but Tesla has one gear that's probably a compromise.

Considering added weight, complexity, drivetrain losses, reliability and possible packaging challenges I think Tesla made the right call for their vehicle.
Since the porsche is also built as a track weapon, it will probably make sense for them.

But, apparently running it at constant high speed, the gearbox obviously pays off. This means that to do long motorway journeys, it might just be as good as a SP100D, which is quite the feat.

Mikehig

743 posts

62 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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As well as running at constant high speed, the test was on a flat track. I would guess that the Tesla might do better relative to the Porsche if there were a few gradients where regeneration would kick in.
It does throw an interesting light on the effect on range of high-speed running.

gangzoom

6,304 posts

216 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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Daaaveee said:
Comparing the EPA range of them I'd say it is rather surprising.
Actually what it confirms is Tesla have figured out how to game the EPA system. The P Model S has now an EPA rated range of over 350 miles, but real life range at 75mph is sub 250 miles.

Tesla have done to the EPA EV rating system what VAG did with emissions testing. The apprentice has overtaken the grandmaster.

Gandahar

9,600 posts

129 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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It will be interesting to see the dragtimes head to head when it is released , should be soon.