Porsche Taycan
Discussion
SWoll said:
B****ks
The Model S Performance is every bit as quick, runs similar wheels/tyres and has similar weight yet is almost twice as efficient. And to suggest people buying a £125k, 4 seater Porsche don't care about range is laughable.
Try again.
And what tyre compound does the S run, and what camber and castor? And what about brake drag from brakes optimised for performance (and feel) rather than low drag, and what about hotel loads, optimised in a high value sports car vs those in a large "efficient saloon car. And what about the regen mapping, or the tranmission losses from having a two speed transmission. and hows about the trade off between drag and downforce.The Model S Performance is every bit as quick, runs similar wheels/tyres and has similar weight yet is almost twice as efficient. And to suggest people buying a £125k, 4 seater Porsche don't care about range is laughable.
Try again.
The model S drives terribly, when we are talking about sporting attributes, compared to the taycan for PRECISELY the reasons it's achieves significantly lower consumption........
So if you're going to shout "B****KS" at me, you'd better be able to demonstrate you can back up your mouth with your trousers my son........
RobDickinson said:
DMZ said:
The reason why the Taycan has a lower range is that they have gone for a chemistry composition that optimises energy generation because Porsche thinks it’s more important to be able to drive the car hard repeatedly and reliably.
I’m not aware of any actual or potential Taycan buyer who cares all that much about the range. If this is what excites you guys so much about a car, why aren’t you talking about Konas and the like and questioning the value of Teslas in comparison?
That makes no sense at all a kwh is a kwh. I’m not aware of any actual or potential Taycan buyer who cares all that much about the range. If this is what excites you guys so much about a car, why aren’t you talking about Konas and the like and questioning the value of Teslas in comparison?
Taking our M3P as an example the power output drops quite a bit along with the SOC% and is very noticeable below 50%. Not sure if th same with S/X?
If Porsche have made the choice to ensure the output is always the same no matter what the SOC% then lower efficiency makes perfect sense?
RobDickinson said:
Power output isn't that much lower at low charge, so far not seen anything that suggests the Porsche is any different there either.
Porsche point was it doesn't over heat with multiple launches at high soc.
I'm sure it'll still drop max power at low soc.
Be interested to see. I know on paper the power drop is supposedly negligible in the M3P but in practice both myself and my wife have really noticed it when running below 50%.Porsche point was it doesn't over heat with multiple launches at high soc.
I'm sure it'll still drop max power at low soc.
I'd be willing to bet the Taycan retains full power down to very low SOC%
Whether that is the right approach only time will tell but they're clearly worried hence the 'independent testing'..
AER said:
Tgat might explain the range but it doesn't explain the high energy consumption. No battery chemistry is going to offer such poor energy conversion so as to dent overall efficiency to the extent being reported here!
If it's having to pull more and more power from the battery at low SOC% to maintain performance perhaps it might?Be interested to see a curve of the power draw from 100% SOC to 10% SOC compared to a Tesla.
SWoll said:
Be interested to see. I know on paper the power drop is supposedly negligible in the M3P but in practice both myself and my wife have really noticed it when running below 50%.
yeah butt dyno certainly notices a change - im running between 40-80% usually..wonder if its partially down to battery temps too, lower SOC probably means a cooler battery, peak power is around 45-50c pack temps i think according to Bjorn
hyphen said:
Sambucket said:
Yep.
Can you list them?You really think Tesla spend that much? It's all relative, the likes of GM spend BILLIONS a year just on marketing. VW said to have 33bn EUR to invest in creating electric vehicles. And that's from a company that already knows how to make a car.
They've basically set the bar for the past and next decade, proven the world that electric vehicles aren't just mikfloats and showing companies that are at it for 100 years how it's done.
If making an electric motor and some batteries is that simple, why did Mercedes put a Tesla divetrain in the first electric B? Where are the non-tesla superchargers?
Yes, people will buy the etron and the Taycan, but don't for a second be fooled that VAG has caught up with Tesla in some way.
Edited by ZesPak on Friday 13th December 08:19
hyphen said:
ZesPak said:
Where are the non-tesla superchargers?
Electrify America offer 270kw chargers, fastest on the market. Taycan charges to 80% in 20mins.hyphen said:
ZesPak said:
Their battery management and efficiency is class leading.
Does it matter? Do people rush out to buy a car that is a few mpg over another one?No, efficiency is just one variable in a buyers decision making.
Their batteries are proven to last well over 300k km, while some even performing well after 500k km.
It's funny how anti-ev people go from "I can't do my weekly 1000km round trip and my 600km commutes will take ages" to "who cares about range and charge network" just how it suits them.
So yes, it's important. Tesla manages to combine having both the fastest accelerating vehicle which also has the best range available. The etron is both a lot slower, almost equally expensive with 60% of the range. The Taycan manages to be a lot better on track but a lot less practical and less range for a substantial premium.
hyphen said:
Does it matter? Do people rush out to buy a car that is a few mpg over another one?
No, efficiency is just one variable in a buyers decision making.
Just look at Tesla's efficiency compared to Porsche. The Tesla is faster and goes much further too.No, efficiency is just one variable in a buyers decision making.
That's where 10+ years of work on EVs gets you. They are more than a generation ahead.
Bobtherallyfan said:
Who cares.....if you are worried about saving a few hundred pounds a year, buy a small hatchback and save yourself a fortune.
If the money is negligible, you can send me the difference, email me for my bank details thanks. Of course the environmental cost of fossil fuels is one we are all going to be counting.Gassing Station | EV and Alternative Fuels | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff