Test drove an iPace and a Tesla S

[Dave Hedgehog]

bad company said:

There’s several comments about the infotainment system in the Teslas, do I take that Apple CarPlay isn’t an option?

My only problem with Tesla is the interior, that giant screen looks horrid to me.

no carplay / android auto

Tesla are very myopic in some ways Musk has this old fashioned idea about infotainment and hes sticking to it regardless

2005 rang and wants its 2D sat nav back

fortunately on the model 3 there is a convenient place in front of the driver to stick your smart phone so you dont have to worry about it, i priced into the man maths an iphone 11 pro max to run waze on

[Ryder35]

kuro68k said:

I had a look at one the other day. Nice interior, a bit tall as the wife had to jump down to get out of it.

For £400/month, 3.5k down and 8k miles it's pretty hard to beat right now. No other EV with that range is available for that price.

I got my M3P for about that. Mind you I think they have gone up again since

[ds666]

kuro68k said:

I had a look at one the other day. Nice interior, a bit tall as the wife had to jump down to get out of it.

For £400/month, 3.5k down and 8k miles it's pretty hard to beat right now. No other EV with that range is available for that price.

That's 9 +23 right ? effectively £529 per month . ( Isn't that for a Model 3 ? , the s is a lot more ) .

An E-Tron is £519/ month . Range nowhere as good but build quality probably a tad better .

What's the real world range for a Tesla s or Model 3

[bad company]

Dave Hedgehog said:

no carplay / android auto

Tesla are very myopic in some ways Musk has this old fashioned idea about infotainment and hes sticking to it regardless

2005 rang and wants its 2D sat nav back

fortunately on the model 3 there is a convenient place in front of the driver to stick your smart phone so you dont have to worry about it, i priced into the man maths an iphone 11 pro max to run waze on

Thanks. That’s astonishing though on such a technically advanced product.

[Dave Hedgehog]

bad company said:

Thanks. That’s astonishing though on such a technically advanced product.

in the same way tesla have no idea of what stock they have or whose ordered what and any German manufacturer will happily give you a build week and inform you every step of the way of your cars journey and 99% of the time it will be in the showroom the week they say it will even if its 9 months away

to be fair thou the car is bloody good, it made me smile something that is extremely rare with modern cars

if the iPace drove like the M3 and its infotainment worked as well as the M3 i would have bought the iPace as i much prefer the exterior and interior styling

by the time i am finished with the M3 there should be some good alternatives about

Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Wednesday 11th September 15:51

[otolith]

Max_Torque said:

Try it, go into a BMW showroom and have a look around the M3.

"Hmm, this repmobile has many option boxes ticked, is it maybe a GLX or a Ghia?"

[ds666]

if the iPace drove like the M3

I haven’t driven a model 3 because as it isn’t a hatchback it is off the radar . Is the driving experience better than the I pace or is it just “quicker “
What makes it better ?

[jjwilde]

Dave Hedgehog said:

no carplay / android auto

Tesla are very myopic in some ways Musk has this old fashioned idea about infotainment and hes sticking to it regardless

2005 rang and wants its 2D sat nav back

fortunately on the model 3 there is a convenient place in front of the driver to stick your smart phone so you dont have to worry about it, i priced into the man maths an iphone 11 pro max to run waze on

Have you actually used Tesla's M3 screen? It's easily the best in car set up in existence as confirmed by almost every review.

Are you seriously comparing google maps to a 2005 2D sat nav?

[bad company]

jjwilde said:

Have you actually used Tesla's M3 screen? It's easily the best in car set up in existence as confirmed by almost every review.

The screen just looks like a huge ugly slab to me. Bit like one of those massive televisions in a room that’s not big enough for it.

Eye of the beholder I guess.

[Dave Hedgehog]

jjwilde said:

Have you actually used Tesla's M3 screen? It's easily the best in car set up in existence as confirmed by almost every review.

Are you seriously comparing google maps to a 2005 2D sat nav?

i have used it, its an old fashioned idea of the car being the centre of your data / media. with android auto / car play your data and media follows you about from device to device

i dont like 2D sat nav its old fashioned, i will stick with 3D with peer to peer reporting in real time of police / camera vans

most car reviewers are not tech savy

i can control my head unit in my merc with my watch

the tesla stuff is old fashioned, its just along way ahead of most of the others, a company like tesla should be miles ahead of the rest of the industry, waze 3D sat nav on a hud infront of the driver

[SWoll]

Dave Hedgehog said:

jjwilde said:

Have you actually used Tesla's M3 screen? It's easily the best in car set up in existence as confirmed by almost every review.

Are you seriously comparing google maps to a 2005 2D sat nav?

i have used it, its an old fashioned idea of the car being the centre of your data / media. with android auto / car play your data and media follows you about from device to device

i dont like 2D sat nav its old fashioned, i will stick with 3D with peer to peer reporting in real time of police / camera vans

most car reviewers are not tech savy

i can control my head unit in my merc with my watch

the tesla stuff is old fashioned, its just along way ahead of most of the others, a company like tesla should be miles ahead of the rest of the industry, waze 3D sat nav on a hud infront of the driver

Can't really argue with any of that (although not a massive waze fan), the crap connectivity for bluetooth audio being the biggest miss for me.

It's a lovely screen and super responsive based on my limited testing but the software integration is piss poor. Not put me off running one but a shame there has to be such obvious limitations in what should be the tech benchmark as you say.

[UnderSteerD]

SWoll said:

Dave Hedgehog said:

jjwilde said:

Have you actually used Tesla's M3 screen? It's easily the best in car set up in existence as confirmed by almost every review.

Are you seriously comparing google maps to a 2005 2D sat nav?

i have used it, its an old fashioned idea of the car being the centre of your data / media. with android auto / car play your data and media follows you about from device to device

i dont like 2D sat nav its old fashioned, i will stick with 3D with peer to peer reporting in real time of police / camera vans

most car reviewers are not tech savy

i can control my head unit in my merc with my watch

the tesla stuff is old fashioned, its just along way ahead of most of the others, a company like tesla should be miles ahead of the rest of the industry, waze 3D sat nav on a hud infront of the driver

Can't really argue with any of that (although not a massive waze fan), the crap connectivity for bluetooth audio being the biggest miss for me.

It's a lovely screen and super responsive based on my limited testing but the software integration is piss poor. Not put me off running one but a shame there has to be such obvious limitations in what should be the tech benchmark as you say.

There's nothing to say that these things won't change in the future, courtesy of a software update.

One of the things that I find appealing about Tesla in the potential for forwards compatibility, rather than just being stuck with what they gave you on the day they built your car.

[Dave Hedgehog]

UnderSteerD said:

There's nothing to say that these things won't change in the future, courtesy of a software update.

One of the things that I find appealing about Tesla in the potential for forwards compatibility, rather than just being stuck with what they gave you on the day they built your car.

That is a very strong part of Tesla ownership

Not many manufacturers make their cars faster after you have bought them or make them more economical

[anonymous-user]

Dave Hedgehog said:

That is a very strong part of Tesla ownership

Not many manufacturers make their cars faster after you have bought them or make them more economical

It's a mixed blessing.

On the one hand your car might improve. On the other hand it might get nerfed, accidentally or intentionally. New bugs, new ways for autopilot to kill you.

The worst part is that your car is now like computer software and video games. Never finished, always in beta, released before it's ready. No concept of fully tested software releases any more, just roll out today's version and see what bug reports come in.

[RobDickinson]

yet the general progression of tesla software is fast and upwards with many new features.


Autopilot improves every patch, and new features sometimes are in beta but get improved (like sentry mode).

[bad company]

Dave Hedgehog said:

UnderSteerD said:

There's nothing to say that these things won't change in the future, courtesy of a software update.

One of the things that I find appealing about Tesla in the potential for forwards compatibility, rather than just being stuck with what they gave you on the day they built your car.

That is a very strong part of Tesla ownership

Not many manufacturers make their cars faster after you have bought them or make them more economical

So I’d buy one and ‘hope’ they fix the software? No, not for me though in very many ways I’d really like a Tesla.

[RobDickinson]

bad company said:

So I’d buy one and ‘hope’ they fix the software? No, not for me though in very many ways I’d really like a Tesla.

Pretty much every car has software issues, most you need to take into a dealer and pay hundreds if there is ever a fix. Or even just for map updates..

[bad company]

RobDickinson said:

bad company said:

So I’d buy one and ‘hope’ they fix the software? No, not for me though in very many ways I’d really like a Tesla.

Pretty much every car has software issues, most you need to take into a dealer and pay hundreds if there is ever a fix. Or even just for map updates..

No you don’t have to pay anything as most issues will come up during the warranty period. I don’t understand why anyone would pay for map updates, they’re no longer required.

[Baldchap]

I liked the infotainment in our old X, especially Spotify natively on their account, so I didn't have to turn off the music at home to use it in the car.

The biggest issue for me was the car elements that everyone else sorted years ago. For example, the doors rubbed. The solution: A thick, transparent, plastic sticker to stop the paint rubbing off. So we're not fixing the doors then? Little things like the auto wipers were always in 'beta' and didn't work. Trim fitted badly in places. Materials weren't what you'd expect. The auto dimming main beam dimmed for signs but not cars. All factors that make the (at the time) £146,000 list price seem about £100,000 too high. :rollers:

Tesla are an excellent technology company, but not an excellent *car* company. But they don't care, because they'll be a very popular battery provider to actual car companies for decades to come.

[RobDickinson]

Yeah those established car companies are so good at the car stuff.