Test drove an iPace and a Tesla S
Discussion
Baldchap said:
I liked the infotainment in our old X, especially Spotify natively on their account, so I didn't have to turn off the music at home to use it in the car.
The biggest issue for me was the car elements that everyone else sorted years ago. For example, the doors rubbed. The solution: A thick, transparent, plastic sticker to stop the paint rubbing off. So we're not fixing the doors then? Little things like the auto wipers were always in 'beta' and didn't work. Trim fitted badly in places. Materials weren't what you'd expect. The auto dimming main beam dimmed for signs but not cars. All factors that make the (at the time) £146,000 list price seem about £100,000 too high. :rollers:
Tesla are an excellent technology company, but not an excellent *car* company. But they don't care, because they'll be a very popular battery provider to actual car companies for decades to come.
How much?! Really?! The biggest issue for me was the car elements that everyone else sorted years ago. For example, the doors rubbed. The solution: A thick, transparent, plastic sticker to stop the paint rubbing off. So we're not fixing the doors then? Little things like the auto wipers were always in 'beta' and didn't work. Trim fitted badly in places. Materials weren't what you'd expect. The auto dimming main beam dimmed for signs but not cars. All factors that make the (at the time) £146,000 list price seem about £100,000 too high. :rollers:
Tesla are an excellent technology company, but not an excellent *car* company. But they don't care, because they'll be a very popular battery provider to actual car companies for decades to come.
Baldchap said:
RobDickinson said:
Recalls will always happen. But Tesla are still learning the basics of building cars. I'll bet basics like the auto lights and wipers work on the GMs. 
otolith said:
Baldchap said:
Yep, deal with the basics like auto lights and wipers, get round to the brakes when you have time.Tesla must be alone in the power of the fandom some people have for them. Despite owners telling them the cars have fairly fundamental faults that a £100k+ car shouldn't have in this day and age, we're told we should accept it because GM did a recall (what that has to do with Tesla's product quality, I don't know).
The fact of the matter is, as someone who bought one and has firsthand experience, they're a great technology company, but as a finished product the cars are flawed and not up to the standard they should be for the money they cost, even after cutting prices.
The fact of the matter is, as someone who bought one and has firsthand experience, they're a great technology company, but as a finished product the cars are flawed and not up to the standard they should be for the money they cost, even after cutting prices.
Edited by Baldchap on Friday 13th September 07:30
Baldchap said:
Tesla must be alone in the power of the fandom some people have for them. Despite owners telling them the cars have fairly fundamental faults that a £100k+ car shouldn't have in this day and age, we're told we should accept it because GM did a recall (what that has to do with Tesla's product quality, I don't know).
Reminds me of Apple fans, denying all the obvious flaws and faults with their products.It's a shame because Tesla make some really interesting cars, but you can't have a realistic conversation about them. Even Bjorn gets abuse when his cars break down and people pile in to tell him it's his fault for driving it wrong.
Works for me. The screen functions beautifully (unlike most of it's competitors) and the overall design does away with rows of buttons and air vents.
Which modern mid sized executive saloon do you think does the job better as most have the stuck on iPad look nowadays anyway?
Audi A4
MB C-Class
Which modern mid sized executive saloon do you think does the job better as most have the stuck on iPad look nowadays anyway?
Audi A4
MB C-Class
Edited by SWoll on Friday 13th September 20:37
buggalugs said:
Is it Mazda that’s moving away from having everything done via a screen now, for safety reasons?
Not surprised if you've ever used their previous implementation of the tech. Much like other manufacturers in that segment it's too small and laggy making it difficult to use. I've tried touchscreens in Vauxhall, Renault etc. and they were bloody awful and often positioned far too low in the dash.Strikes me as a marketing ploy to differentiate themselves from other manufacturers whilst saving them investing in better tech. Be interesting to see if it works for them.
As an example. Way too low, awful layout and unresponsive IME as had one on hire for a week recently.
Edited by SWoll on Saturday 14th September 12:06
bad company said:
Looks very fussy to me. I think that is going to date very quickly.I think part of the problem is that cars today just have too much irrelevant crap to fiddle with. I think having everything that you actually need to do while driving on physical controls and all the marketing b
ks controlled by touch screen (that only works stationary) or voice would be a good compromise. And I like the way that Tesla have got rid of all the ugly air vents to make the dash minimal - I can see that if that catches on, vents will look very old fashioned.The honeymoon period between the iPace and the press seems never ending....
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/features/electr...
Yet JLR appears to be unable to shift them, over 250 for sale on Autotrader now, versus 30 Model Xs which have been on sale since 2016.
US reports suggest JLR only sold 160 iPaces in the US this month. Which if true is shockingly low.
Why aren't people buying the iPace?
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/features/electr...
Yet JLR appears to be unable to shift them, over 250 for sale on Autotrader now, versus 30 Model Xs which have been on sale since 2016.
US reports suggest JLR only sold 160 iPaces in the US this month. Which if true is shockingly low.
Why aren't people buying the iPace?
otolith said:
bad company said:
Looks very fussy to me. I think that is going to date very quickly.I think part of the problem is that cars today just have too much irrelevant crap to fiddle with. I think having everything that you actually need to do while driving on physical controls and all the marketing b
ks controlled by touch screen (that only works stationary) or voice would be a good compromise. And I like the way that Tesla have got rid of all the ugly air vents to make the dash minimal - I can see that if that catches on, vents will look very old fashioned.I think fitting a small, oddly shaped touchscreen so that you can retain a very conventional looking dash architecture is really form over function. But then I also think Tesla are guilty of that in retaining an interior as conventional as they have. I know why they've done it, imagine how freaked out the small-c conservative minded buyers would be if Tesla had completely rethought the car interior architecture around the options touch screens and no engine give you. So it's an increment.
bad company said:
The interior puts me off. How can anyone find that big ugly slab of a screen anything other than pig ugly? 
Still, eye of the beholder I guess.
Call that a screen?Still, eye of the beholder I guess.
(Honda e)
I actually like the Tesla interior for the most part, including the screen. The only bit I didn't really like was the steering wheel which felt a bit cheap. The scroll wheels aren't ideal either, I prefer dedicated function buttons that I can operate with muscle memory.
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