Which home charging point?
Discussion
The charger I mentioned above that I’m having fitted instead of the Rolex can support 23Kw on 3 phase. But as we don’t have 3 phase and can’t use that for now with a PHEV that won’t charge at more than 3.6Kw I won’t be looking into the upgrade
However maybe it’s better to upgrade early when there is availability rather than later when the cabling maxed out?
However maybe it’s better to upgrade early when there is availability rather than later when the cabling maxed out?
Evanivitch said:
ZesPak said:
Frimley111R said:
Well homes don't have 3 phase electricity to begin with.
That's odd, mine has.
here it's quite common in new houses.I just wanted to point out that the newer I Paces will be equipped to take advantage of this and it looks good to have if you're getting a new I Pace anyway (the seller won't tell you to wait a week for a new model :P)
Adam1980 said:
Anyone can have 3 phase retro fitted, it’s just the expensive.
Our DNO wanted about £700- but you have to dig your own trench and arrange the meter swap out.
We decided against it, but at the point we have 2 EVs it might make sense.
Sounds cheap! UK Power Networks are saying the price starts at £1500+VAT!Our DNO wanted about £700- but you have to dig your own trench and arrange the meter swap out.
We decided against it, but at the point we have 2 EVs it might make sense.
https://www.ukpowernetworks.co.uk/electricity/upgr...
robbieduncan said:
Adam1980 said:
Anyone can have 3 phase retro fitted, it’s just the expensive.
Our DNO wanted about £700- but you have to dig your own trench and arrange the meter swap out.
We decided against it, but at the point we have 2 EVs it might make sense.
Sounds cheap! UK Power Networks are saying the price starts at £1500+VAT!Our DNO wanted about £700- but you have to dig your own trench and arrange the meter swap out.
We decided against it, but at the point we have 2 EVs it might make sense.
https://www.ukpowernetworks.co.uk/electricity/upgr...
Other half is going to get a zoe on the octopus ev salary sacrifice scheme soon.
The zoe comes with a BP charge master "free" or octopus can supply a EO mini at a discount. The BP one is hideous so would prefer the mini.
Only problem is our consumer unit is down the left side of the house, where we would want the charger on the front right where the drive is.
Is there likely to be an extra charge for this with both charger installs?
And does this require an extra breaker in the consumer unit? I've previously had a sparky to look at it to add a spur for my garage and shed, and they said they wouldn't use the old fuse that used to power an electric shower and would need to install a bigger (metal) unit, which was quite alot to do. Will I have the same issue here?
The zoe comes with a BP charge master "free" or octopus can supply a EO mini at a discount. The BP one is hideous so would prefer the mini.
Only problem is our consumer unit is down the left side of the house, where we would want the charger on the front right where the drive is.
Is there likely to be an extra charge for this with both charger installs?
And does this require an extra breaker in the consumer unit? I've previously had a sparky to look at it to add a spur for my garage and shed, and they said they wouldn't use the old fuse that used to power an electric shower and would need to install a bigger (metal) unit, which was quite alot to do. Will I have the same issue here?
I had to get my electricity supplier to add an additional unit to my power supply (can't remember the name of the thing)- this was under the instructions of Chargemaster. As to install distance - you might get charged more but the installer should let you know in advance. If you go with the free Chargemaster one they will ask for pictures of your fuse board, the front of the house, where you want the external part of the charger to go, etc. and so can advise.
Ken Figenus said:
Guys why are the home chargers only 7kW? An electric shower pulls 2.8kw more? Why cant chargers pull the same current as a 40a domestic shower?
My Tesla charger pulls over 11kW, on 3 phase (Europe).Adds about 60km/hour on my Model S iirc.
I said it before in this thread, my parents wanted one that suits all (most) electric cars, after some research I ended up at the Tesla charger again:
- It seems to take all inputs.
- A little dip switch makes it usable with all Type 2 cars.
- You can order it with a 7m cord without extra costs.
- Compact and neat (my parents had about 40cm on their wall and you could fit it there and still wrap the cable around it)
- Cheap (every 3 phase charger with a lead over 2m I've found was at least 50% more expensive)
theboss said:
Question for you guys - are the Tesla home chargers standard type 2 AC jobs that can charge other cars?
My bro was thinking of getting a M3P and if fitting their charger would be handy to know other cars can be charged on it.
I'll quote myself from the Polestar thread:My bro was thinking of getting a M3P and if fitting their charger would be handy to know other cars can be charged on it.
ZesPak said:
For those interested, I just learned that a Tesla wall charger will charge a Polestar 2 and other Type 2 cars.
Apparently the second dip switch in the charger controls the ability to charge other cars, it needs to be in the "down" position to work on non-tesla vehicles.
The manual says this about that switch
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I've just posted this here as I was looking for a Type 2 charger, and the Tesla charger remains quite cheap (especially with the 7.5m cable) and has a slender base, so it seems like a decent option for the Polestar 2 as well?
Tl;Dr : yes, they are. Just find the undocumented dip switch.Apparently the second dip switch in the charger controls the ability to charge other cars, it needs to be in the "down" position to work on non-tesla vehicles.
The manual says this about that switch
:I've just posted this here as I was looking for a Type 2 charger, and the Tesla charger remains quite cheap (especially with the 7.5m cable) and has a slender base, so it seems like a decent option for the Polestar 2 as well?
I've flipped the switch on mine and nothing seems to have changed to charge the Tesla either.
Ken Figenus said:
Guys why are the home chargers only 7kW? An electric shower pulls 2.8kw more? Why cant chargers pull the same current as a 40a domestic shower?
Hardly any cars support more than about 6.6kW charging anyway so there isn't much demand for more. The spec for the AC chargers is 7kW single phase so only cars that support 3 phase will bother supporting higher rates.aestetix1 said:
Hardly any cars support more than about 6.6kW charging anyway so there isn't much demand for more.
A part from the newer Renault Zoe, newer BMW i3, Audi e-tron, Polestar 2, Mustang E and ALL Tesla's.I guess you're right, hardly any cars
.The lack of demand must also be why the revision of the I Pace will have 3 phase charging.
ZesPak said:
The lack of demand must also be why the revision of the I Pace will have 3 phase charging.
To support charging in other markets than the UK where residential 3phase is a rare rare thing. 7.2Kw Is the limit defined for single phase, largely as the car needs to fit into an existing household generally limited to 100amps.The new 11kw limit for ipace is 3x3.6 the 22kw as used by zoe etc is 3x7.2kw. The 3 phase charging was one of the most requested features from the non UK Ipace customers - there are areas in France with 11kw chargers and the current Ipace is limited to 3.6kw - which is glacial...
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51mes said:
To support charging in other markets than the UK where residential 3phase is a rare rare thing. 7.2Kw Is the limit defined for single phase, largely as the car needs to fit into an existing household generally limited to 100amps.
While you are correct, I was just a bit baffled by the wrongness of the statement "hardly any cars support more than about 6.6kW charging".Gassing Station | EV and Alternative Fuels | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff