Porsche Taycan - first 'drivers' EV?
Discussion
Otispunkmeyer said:
Heh... aren't Porsche the masters of gross margin? I believe at one time they made some of the highest % margin per vehicle of anyone!
All that removing parts and materials and charging more for the privilege!
Indeed. Being part of the VAG group does have its benefit with supplier costs, a point lost on the youtube person, he seems to suggest vertical integration is the only way to make large margins. Why, well because Tesla are doing it of course. A circular argument.All that removing parts and materials and charging more for the privilege!
How divorced from reality do you have to be to use "Porsche" and "affordable" in the same sentence?
It looks like a nice car, and competition for Tesla is good, but unoptioned Porsches only exist in theory. The cheapest Taycan anyone will actually buy will have ~£20k of options at least and I imagine it's possible to spec it into the stratosphere like every other Porsche.
The bare-faced cheek of adding a "Turbo" moniker to it when it doesn't have any turbo of any kind is just ridiculous too. Not that the fanboys will care.
The above said - it will be a great car and certainly more refined than a Model S, if you like the Porsche/German aesthetic, and residuals/overs will be typical "special" Porsche.
TheDeuce: WIth respect your bias is pretty naked, from the get go.
It looks like a nice car, and competition for Tesla is good, but unoptioned Porsches only exist in theory. The cheapest Taycan anyone will actually buy will have ~£20k of options at least and I imagine it's possible to spec it into the stratosphere like every other Porsche.
The bare-faced cheek of adding a "Turbo" moniker to it when it doesn't have any turbo of any kind is just ridiculous too. Not that the fanboys will care.
The above said - it will be a great car and certainly more refined than a Model S, if you like the Porsche/German aesthetic, and residuals/overs will be typical "special" Porsche.
TheDeuce: WIth respect your bias is pretty naked, from the get go.
Edited by Durzel on Friday 6th September 14:00
Durzel said:
How divorced from reality do you have to be to use "Porsche" and "affordable" in the same sentence?
People who don't think which twice about spending £1000/month on a lease car?But there's nothing wrong with having the means to afford a Taycan, I wish I could.
I just don't see the negativity directed at the Taycan from potential owners who current have a Tesla as suggested by some on this thread.
It seems to me OP started this thread to essentially justify a Taycan purchase, and I've seen no one disagree with that plan. If you can afford it go for it, it looks like a fab car, am not sure why what anyone else thinks matters?
Am sure there's loads of noise on the internet but I have no interest in the views of pre pubescent kids, which is what most of Reddit and Twitter is filled/targeted at......Age also has little to do with maturity as the current leaders of the the US and UK shows
.Edited by gangzoom on Friday 6th September 14:09
Durzel said:
How divorced from reality do you have to be to use "Porsche" and "affordable" in the same sentence?
It looks like a nice car, and competition for Tesla is good, but unoptioned Porsches only exist in theory. The cheapest Taycan anyone will actually buy will have ~£20k of options at least and I imagine it's possible to spec it into the stratosphere like every other Porsche.
The bare-faced cheek of adding a "Turbo" moniker to it when it doesn't have any turbo of any kind is just ridiculous too. Not that the fanboys will care.
The above said - it will be a great car and certainly more refined than a Model S, if you like the Porsche/German aesthetic, and residuals/overs will be typical "special" Porsche.
TheDeuce: WIth respect your bias is pretty naked, from the get go.
I think prices are on par with the Panamera, which is essentially what its going up against internally no? Those in the market for a Panamera or similarly priced super-barge, won't be too fussed by the asking price of this. It was never ever going to be an affordable car as Porsche's on the whole, aren't affordable every day cars! Piped up Model S is well over 6 figs also. It looks like a nice car, and competition for Tesla is good, but unoptioned Porsches only exist in theory. The cheapest Taycan anyone will actually buy will have ~£20k of options at least and I imagine it's possible to spec it into the stratosphere like every other Porsche.
The bare-faced cheek of adding a "Turbo" moniker to it when it doesn't have any turbo of any kind is just ridiculous too. Not that the fanboys will care.
The above said - it will be a great car and certainly more refined than a Model S, if you like the Porsche/German aesthetic, and residuals/overs will be typical "special" Porsche.
TheDeuce: WIth respect your bias is pretty naked, from the get go.
Edited by Durzel on Friday 6th September 14:00
And the Turbo? does seem a bit cheeky, as do the fake exhausts. However, there may be some merit in the turbo badging when you read about the over-boost functions.
The Turbo has overboost to the rear motor, the S has overboost to both and stronger overboost to the rear than in the Turbo. The overboost lasts about 3 seconds and provides a decent whack of extra torque. Its basically what will deliver the silly 3 second 0-60 times.
I would therefore hazard a guess that the non-Turbo models will not have this boost function and perhaps the cheapest model will not have AWD (but may keep an overboost function??).
gangzoom said:
Durzel said:
How divorced from reality do you have to be to use "Porsche" and "affordable" in the same sentence?
People who don't think which twice about spending £1000/month on a lease car?gangzoom said:
It seems to me OP started this thread to essentially justify a Taycan purchase, and I've seen no one disagree with that plan. If you can afford it go for it, it looks like a fab car, am not sure why what anyone else thinks matters?
Agreed. The more I read about it the more interested I am in it. I think like most Porsches it will not really be comparable on price, but what you get for however much extra you spend over a corresponding "not Porsche" you will find a way to justify, because you want a Porsche, and because it costing more matters to you (no riff raff owning it).Ok maybe that's a bit harsh, because Porsches are objectively very nice cars.
gangzoom said:
Am sure there's loads of noise on the internet but I have no interest in the views of pre pubescent kids, which is what most of Reddit and Twitter is filled/targeted at......Age also has little to do with maturity as the current leaders of the the US and UK shows .
It will definitely cannabalise Tesla Model S sales, as until this came along people would've bought an S simply because there was nothing else comparable available. One could make an argument that Tesla have slightly more to fear from this than other marques who compete with Porsche ICE cars, because those marques are often much cheaper and thus people who want a Porsche are a different demographic entirely. With this though there will be S owners who can afford GT-priced Porsches and only bought a Tesla Model S because they had environmental aspirations and no other choice..RobDickinson said:
To be fair the development cars did and Porsche made this rod for themselves by teasing so much
Probably so ppl would think it was a panameraThe taycan being hooned on their test track, looks pretty sorted and a lot of fun
https://youtu.be/mJloC3witfY
This is Musk getting his wish. Tesla fans should be pleased, not bitter. Car fans with an irrational hatred of Tesla should be pleased that Tesla pushed the future of EVs into one which includes this kind of thing and not just dull but worthy shopping cars, because we’re going to lose non-EV choices eventually.
As for comparing this to the Model S - I don’t think they’re at all the same kind of thing. I don’t think the Taycan has any rivals yet.
As for comparing this to the Model S - I don’t think they’re at all the same kind of thing. I don’t think the Taycan has any rivals yet.
It has to be said, the detail design and packaging looks absolutely world class to me:
https://jalopnik.com/an-extremely-detailed-look-at...
https://jalopnik.com/an-extremely-detailed-look-at...
Someone else grinning like a nutter whilst bing hooned about in the taycan
https://youtu.be/rFVp7apjZZ8
https://youtu.be/rFVp7apjZZ8
Durzel said:
How divorced from reality do you have to be to use "Porsche" and "affordable" in the same sentence?
It looks like a nice car, and competition for Tesla is good, but unoptioned Porsches only exist in theory. The cheapest Taycan anyone will actually buy will have ~£20k of options at least and I imagine it's possible to spec it into the stratosphere like every other Porsche.
The cost of owning a car is not defined by how big the cheque is it’s defined by how much it costs to own. I am pretty confident a Taycan will do better than a Tesla Model S on that basis. It looks like a nice car, and competition for Tesla is good, but unoptioned Porsches only exist in theory. The cheapest Taycan anyone will actually buy will have ~£20k of options at least and I imagine it's possible to spec it into the stratosphere like every other Porsche.
Edited by Durzel on Friday 6th September 14:00
You absolutely don’t need a minimum of £20k in options...I specced one up and came out with £13k....it’s got a pretty decent spec by Porsche standards. I’ve spent much more on options on other Porsche’s I’ve owned.
RobDickinson said:
To be fair the development cars did and Porsche made this rod for themselves by teasing so much
Yes, rather a strange decision. Now taken over by a Turbo badge on the back!Having said that badges on the back are just badges, does not imply what is running the car compared to what done in the past.
Take this for example
Typically that would represent a diesel motor in the good old days. Shame on Tesla pretending it had a diesel in it!
Not sure if Porsche twitter trolling department ( is their's bigger than Teslas?) has mentioned this yet.
PS Note this post is taking the mickey out of anyone concerned about a badge and not either car, which are both great.
Gandahar said:
Having said that badges on the back are just badges, does not imply what is running the car compared to what done in the past.
Take this for example
Typically that would represent a diesel motor in the good old days. Shame on Tesla pretending it had a diesel in it!
A P100 used to be a Sierra or Cortina pickup. Not sure if they did badge the diesels as a P100 D though.Take this for example
Typically that would represent a diesel motor in the good old days. Shame on Tesla pretending it had a diesel in it!
ajprice said:
Gandahar said:
Having said that badges on the back are just badges, does not imply what is running the car compared to what done in the past.
Take this for example
Typically that would represent a diesel motor in the good old days. Shame on Tesla pretending it had a diesel in it!
A P100 used to be a Sierra or Cortina pickup. Not sure if they did badge the diesels as a P100 D though.Take this for example
Typically that would represent a diesel motor in the good old days. Shame on Tesla pretending it had a diesel in it!
He's still good to chat to though.
The test drive by Andrew Frankel is now up on the Autocar website:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/porsche/tayca...
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/porsche/tayca...
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