Porsche Taycan - first 'drivers' EV?
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Durzel said:
How divorced from reality do you have to be to use "Porsche" and "affordable" in the same sentence?
It looks like a nice car, and competition for Tesla is good, but unoptioned Porsches only exist in theory. The cheapest Taycan anyone will actually buy will have ~£20k of options at least and I imagine it's possible to spec it into the stratosphere like every other Porsche.
The bare-faced cheek of adding a "Turbo" moniker to it when it doesn't have any turbo of any kind is just ridiculous too. Not that the fanboys will care.
The above said - it will be a great car and certainly more refined than a Model S, if you like the Porsche/German aesthetic, and residuals/overs will be typical "special" Porsche.
TheDeuce: WIth respect your bias is pretty naked, from the get go.
What bias? I have never wanted a Porsche before, almost the opposite to be honest. And my comments about affordability are related to the UK BIK cut to 0%, which makes any EV unbelievably affordable relative to anything else in the same performance bracket.It looks like a nice car, and competition for Tesla is good, but unoptioned Porsches only exist in theory. The cheapest Taycan anyone will actually buy will have ~£20k of options at least and I imagine it's possible to spec it into the stratosphere like every other Porsche.
The bare-faced cheek of adding a "Turbo" moniker to it when it doesn't have any turbo of any kind is just ridiculous too. Not that the fanboys will care.
The above said - it will be a great car and certainly more refined than a Model S, if you like the Porsche/German aesthetic, and residuals/overs will be typical "special" Porsche.
TheDeuce: WIth respect your bias is pretty naked, from the get go.
Edited by Durzel on Friday 6th September 14:00
If you think what I am saying is biased or incorrect, it is perhaps because you have made some fairly simplistic assumptions.
As for the 'turbo' moniker, I agree - it's a nonsense. Sadly, I have yet to find an option to get that bit de-badged. I'd far rather just say 'Taycan' on the back. What version it is doesn't need to be public knowledge imo.
So today, I met the Taycan...
I was stood next to it as lady pulled the silk off, I stroked it (car, not lady)... wimpered a little and in the end they took pity and let me sit inside
I have to say that my first impression was the size of the thing. It's big for a sportscar, but at the same time it is 100% not remotely like a Panamera in it's proportions or style. It really did put me in mind of a slightly inflated 911. It looks like a proper Porsche sports car, no doubt about that at all.
My second impression was that this is 'new' Porsche, this is where they're headed with the interior and tech etc. In the past I have felt they were a little sparse inside.. High quality, beautifully built, but almost holding back somehow in the joy and flair department. This thing though..? My god it's a nice place to sit. Everything is driver focused, everything is tactile and pleasant to touch and the selection of materials and design flair is excellent. It's clear this is more than their first foray into EV, it's also a start of them updating their image, no doubt about that. I had only just got out of an i-Pace HSE when I stepped in to the Taycan, and it was up a notch - that is some praise I think. I looked in a few other cars in the range before leaving the stand, as a place to sit, they are now clearly a solid generation behind.
Of course, the drive is something of a mystery to us all right now. The Nurburgring time is proof that it is hugely capable, right up their with cars costing substantially more. That doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be a great daily driver and b-road blaster though - although I can appreciate what it takes to run the ring in under 8 seconds, so I have little doubt it will put a smile on any passionate drivers face often enough to make up for whatever foibles it may have that we don't know about yet.
As a result of my encounter, I called my local Porsche dealer - it's not a done deal just yet, I have to figure some stuff out and honestly the price is a stretch... But with the BIK tax as it is set to be when deliveries begin, this is maybe my chance to have something I normally could not. I'm going to sleep on it, but hand on heart I can't imagine I will be able to hold off putting pre-order money down very soon. Which, if anyone is interested, is 100% refundable up until the point a build slot is offered and accepted. In the UK the pre-order deposit is £5k.
This is more than I hoped the car would cost, and way more than I originally expected to spend on an EV. But there simply isn't anything else EV in the performance segment (as in power, brakes, chassis, centre of gravity) for less.
I was stood next to it as lady pulled the silk off, I stroked it (car, not lady)... wimpered a little and in the end they took pity and let me sit inside
I have to say that my first impression was the size of the thing. It's big for a sportscar, but at the same time it is 100% not remotely like a Panamera in it's proportions or style. It really did put me in mind of a slightly inflated 911. It looks like a proper Porsche sports car, no doubt about that at all.
My second impression was that this is 'new' Porsche, this is where they're headed with the interior and tech etc. In the past I have felt they were a little sparse inside.. High quality, beautifully built, but almost holding back somehow in the joy and flair department. This thing though..? My god it's a nice place to sit. Everything is driver focused, everything is tactile and pleasant to touch and the selection of materials and design flair is excellent. It's clear this is more than their first foray into EV, it's also a start of them updating their image, no doubt about that. I had only just got out of an i-Pace HSE when I stepped in to the Taycan, and it was up a notch - that is some praise I think. I looked in a few other cars in the range before leaving the stand, as a place to sit, they are now clearly a solid generation behind.
Of course, the drive is something of a mystery to us all right now. The Nurburgring time is proof that it is hugely capable, right up their with cars costing substantially more. That doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be a great daily driver and b-road blaster though - although I can appreciate what it takes to run the ring in under 8 seconds, so I have little doubt it will put a smile on any passionate drivers face often enough to make up for whatever foibles it may have that we don't know about yet.
As a result of my encounter, I called my local Porsche dealer - it's not a done deal just yet, I have to figure some stuff out and honestly the price is a stretch... But with the BIK tax as it is set to be when deliveries begin, this is maybe my chance to have something I normally could not. I'm going to sleep on it, but hand on heart I can't imagine I will be able to hold off putting pre-order money down very soon. Which, if anyone is interested, is 100% refundable up until the point a build slot is offered and accepted. In the UK the pre-order deposit is £5k.
This is more than I hoped the car would cost, and way more than I originally expected to spend on an EV. But there simply isn't anything else EV in the performance segment (as in power, brakes, chassis, centre of gravity) for less.
RobDickinson said:
AFIK the BIK changes will make this £17-20k a year cheaper to own than a similar ICE car.
Depends on your tax bracket, but yes - it's substantial. So much so that a person paying BIK and running their own ltd could argue that the Taycan is about as expensive as a BMW 320d.That is literally the only reason I can contemplate the decision I think I have already made
Edited by TheDeuce on Tuesday 10th September 21:27
TheDeuce said:
RobDickinson said:
AFIK the BIK changes will make this £17-20k a year cheaper to own than a similar ICE car.
Depends on your tax bracket, but yes - it's substantial. So much so that a person paying BIK could argue that the Taycan is about as expensive as a BMW 320d.That is literally the only reason I can contemplate the decision I think I have already made
RobDickinson said:
TheDeuce said:
RobDickinson said:
AFIK the BIK changes will make this £17-20k a year cheaper to own than a similar ICE car.
Depends on your tax bracket, but yes - it's substantial. So much so that a person paying BIK could argue that the Taycan is about as expensive as a BMW 320d.That is literally the only reason I can contemplate the decision I think I have already made
But every now and then, us micro business owners get a break and this is one of them. The money is in the company and quite frankly this is about the cheapest way of releasing that money right now. Obviously you have to value and want such a car for it to make sense at all - but I do. If I took an extra £1000 a month out to as income, I would get £550(ish) after tax NI costs to my company to spend on a new car. If I direct £1000 p/m to the Taycan, I get the full benefit of that £1000, it avoids tax and NI complications entirely.
RobDickinson said:
Yeah but I think your situation will be an exception rather than the normal. Evn at a lower tax band BIK saves you a lot on a taycan vs panamera or whatever
Oh totally. It really is a no brainer. Anyone in my position that ever wanted a car of this value is suddenly in a position to make it happen.I'm not sure if my position will be the exception though, not so far as the UK is concerned at least. The dealer I spoke to today was quick to latch on to my position and was well aware of the BIK incentive - my guess is that the 30 deposits they have already taken are mostly from ltd owners/operators looking to take advantage of this incentive.
I suspect that those who earn substantially more would still take the red blooded petrol cars - I would if I'm honest. It's just a freak happening that a £115k Porsche is suddenly in the grasps of company owners that previously had a budget of about half that.
Just as a note on badges on the back of cars.
Tesla P100d does not have a diesel engine.
Taycan Turbo S does not have a turbo.
New Land Rover 90 and 110 do not have 90 and 110 inch wheelbases respectively.
Things change......
The Mini is an entire range, that compared to the original,should be called the Maxi.
The turbo S moniker means a certain model. If you worry about the old days of badges you are on the wrong thread in the forum!
Tesla P100d does not have a diesel engine.
Taycan Turbo S does not have a turbo.
New Land Rover 90 and 110 do not have 90 and 110 inch wheelbases respectively.
Things change......
The Mini is an entire range, that compared to the original,should be called the Maxi.
The turbo S moniker means a certain model. If you worry about the old days of badges you are on the wrong thread in the forum!
Edited by Gandahar on Tuesday 10th September 22:11
RobDickinson said:
Gandahar said:
Just as a note on badges on the back of cars.
Tesla P100d does not have a diesel engine.
Taycan Turbo S does not have a turbo.
d though doesnt have to stand for diesel and in this case stands for dual motor Tesla P100d does not have a diesel engine.
Taycan Turbo S does not have a turbo.
turbo doesnt stand for anything other than marketing bs.
Turbo and Turbo S used to stand for turbo and turbo uprated, now it doesn't
90 and 110 used to stand for number of inches in the Defender wheel base, now it doesn't ... it's marketing bulls
t.How is turbo S on a Porsche less marketing bs than 90 or 110 on the new Defender?
RobDickinson said:
why dont you ask JLR on that one?
I asked you as you brought it up in this thread and seemingly have no answer.The fact of the matter is that brand badging tends to follow certain rules over various releases to gives hierarchy people are used to.
This is a storm in a teacup.
Gandahar said:
I asked you as you brought it up in this thread and seemingly have no answer.
The fact of the matter is that brand badging tends to follow certain rules over various releases to gives hierarchy people are used to.
This is a storm in a teacup.
uh no one has mentioned it for days until you brought it up trying to prove some bs.The fact of the matter is that brand badging tends to follow certain rules over various releases to gives hierarchy people are used to.
This is a storm in a teacup.
RobDickinson said:
Gandahar said:
I asked you as you brought it up in this thread and seemingly have no answer.
The fact of the matter is that brand badging tends to follow certain rules over various releases to gives hierarchy people are used to.
This is a storm in a teacup.
uh no one has mentioned it for days until you brought it up trying to prove some bs.The fact of the matter is that brand badging tends to follow certain rules over various releases to gives hierarchy people are used to.
This is a storm in a teacup.
PS Might want to stop using the "bs" with me for a while until you can find your glasses ... just a hint
TheDeuce said:
I can appreciate what it takes to run the ring in under 8 seconds...
The Millennium Falcon?TheDeuce said:
This is more than I hoped the car would cost, and way more than I originally expected to spend on an EV.
But seriously though, I hope you can afford your dream. I think the Turbo S is unnecessary, and as long as you're judicious with the options list, it need not be absolutely ruinous.Gassing Station | EV and Alternative Fuels | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff