Labour to nationalise Tesla Superchargers
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eldar said:
Lets be realistic. Jeremy is an unelectable nonentity, disliked by the non-extreme labour supporters.
Bojo is simply a power hungry liar, surrounded by equally unpleasant acolytes and manipulated by Farage and Trump.
The rest are 2 dimensional wannabees with blinkered vision of reality.
I'm tempted to vote Labour just to see Diane Abbott in power and confusion. Comedy indeed.
To be fair they’re all power hungry liars........Bojo is simply a power hungry liar, surrounded by equally unpleasant acolytes and manipulated by Farage and Trump.
The rest are 2 dimensional wannabees with blinkered vision of reality.
I'm tempted to vote Labour just to see Diane Abbott in power and confusion. Comedy indeed.
That could be a good definition for ‘politician’.
REALIST123 said:
The problems in the NHS are not all to do with money.
... maybe I should come back tomorrow, a Saturday, in the afternoon, when they'd be less busy.
That's what I did...
One of the not-money problems with the NHS is people using emergency provision when they clearly don't need it.... maybe I should come back tomorrow, a Saturday, in the afternoon, when they'd be less busy.
That's what I did...
I can't entirely blame such people though, what with the funding for 24hr walk in docs being removed.
SamR380 said:
REALIST123 said:
The problems in the NHS are not all to do with money.
... maybe I should come back tomorrow, a Saturday, in the afternoon, when they'd be less busy.
That's what I did...
One of the not-money problems with the NHS is people using emergency provision when they clearly don't need it.... maybe I should come back tomorrow, a Saturday, in the afternoon, when they'd be less busy.
That's what I did...
I can't entirely blame such people though, what with the funding for 24hr walk in docs being removed.
The point is that the organisation of the NHS is, in many areas, a shambles.
Suggesting people stop using it won’t help; neither will throwing more money at it.
kiethton said:
Sorry but you can, mum got a cancer specialist referral within a week of initial diagnosis....
Facebook pay little tax here for a reason, unless your financially incompetent you'd know that tax is paid on profit, not income.....
Lucky her, obviously has the right postcode... As long as your family is fine I guess.Facebook pay little tax here for a reason, unless your financially incompetent you'd know that tax is paid on profit, not income.....
Facebook make huge profits in the UK, then move them all offshore to avoid paying any tax. It's a scam, they are ripping you off and convinced you it's right.
kiethton said:
Ah, some proper Randian BS, haven't seen that for a while.
Remember when all the businesses were going to leave last time Labour got in? But instead we had years of prosperity and growth and improved public services, until the global financial crash and Thatcherite under-regulation screwed it all up?
eldar said:
Lets be realistic. Jeremy is an unelectable nonentity, disliked by the non-extreme labour supporters.
He nearly won last time. Was May worse than Boris, a man with a reputation for lying constantly, spaffing money up the wall willy-nilly, failing at brexit, under multiple investigations, suppressing the Russian interference report...The only people who want him are brexit extremists who think he will get it done for them, and the very wealthy who don't want to pay a little bit more tax.
REALIST123 said:
Ah, bless, how naive.
The problems in the NHS are not all to do with money.
I had occasion to visit A and E a few months ago. On arrival I was met by two 'greeters' dressed as nurses, who wrote my name and address on a piece of paper which they gave to me then carried on chatting.
I took my piece of paper to one of another 3 ladies in a booth who typed the details into the system and asked me to sit down.
About an hour later I was called in to see a nurse. She asked me what the problem was, wrote it down on a sheet and asked me to go and wait a bit longer. After about 4 hours I asked when I might be seen and was told it could be another 4 hours, maybe I should come back tomorrow, a Saturday, in the afternoon, when they'd be less busy.
That's what I did and after going through the whole process again was finally seen after another 3 hour wait.
What I found most interesting was the fact that, when I arrived, on a dry wipe board were the words: 'Waiting time to see a Doctor 2 hrs 20 minutes'. After about an hour a nurse, or someone dressed like a nurse, came out and methodically rubbed out the whole thing.
She then wrote on the board 'Waiting time to see a Doctor 2 hrs 45 minutes'.
Again, an hour later, she came out, rubbed the whole thing out again and wrote 'Waiting time to see a Doctor 3 hours 15 minutes'.
The NHS needs far more than money and if you think Labour will provide it I suggest you examine the cash spent and the gains made between 1997 and 2010.
This really.... I like the NHS and I like that we have the NHS and I don't want it to go away. But simply playing the game of "we will give the NHS more money" simply isn't going to work with me. It might work with simpletons who think more money will magically make it better, but if you've ever had to use the NHS you'll see that it won't.The problems in the NHS are not all to do with money.
I had occasion to visit A and E a few months ago. On arrival I was met by two 'greeters' dressed as nurses, who wrote my name and address on a piece of paper which they gave to me then carried on chatting.
I took my piece of paper to one of another 3 ladies in a booth who typed the details into the system and asked me to sit down.
About an hour later I was called in to see a nurse. She asked me what the problem was, wrote it down on a sheet and asked me to go and wait a bit longer. After about 4 hours I asked when I might be seen and was told it could be another 4 hours, maybe I should come back tomorrow, a Saturday, in the afternoon, when they'd be less busy.
That's what I did and after going through the whole process again was finally seen after another 3 hour wait.
What I found most interesting was the fact that, when I arrived, on a dry wipe board were the words: 'Waiting time to see a Doctor 2 hrs 20 minutes'. After about an hour a nurse, or someone dressed like a nurse, came out and methodically rubbed out the whole thing.
She then wrote on the board 'Waiting time to see a Doctor 2 hrs 45 minutes'.
Again, an hour later, she came out, rubbed the whole thing out again and wrote 'Waiting time to see a Doctor 3 hours 15 minutes'.
The NHS needs far more than money and if you think Labour will provide it I suggest you examine the cash spent and the gains made between 1997 and 2010.
More money will just mean more gets wasted. Like pouring money into a fire. Some bits will improve initially due to the extra burst of heat, but it'll soon simmer down to what it always was. Carrying on as normal except they chew through a few extra billions.
The brave decision really, is to completely start over and build it better, more efficient, more centralised. That, though, is probably one extraordinary task and I will admit I wouldn't have the foggiest on how you'd actually do it or even if you could do it! You'd have to build an NHS 2.0 along side the current one and then switch ! Or something.
kuro68k said:
kiethton said:
Sorry but you can, mum got a cancer specialist referral within a week of initial diagnosis....
Facebook pay little tax here for a reason, unless your financially incompetent you'd know that tax is paid on profit, not income.....
Lucky her, obviously has the right postcode... As long as your family is fine I guess.Facebook pay little tax here for a reason, unless your financially incompetent you'd know that tax is paid on profit, not income.....
Facebook make huge profits in the UK, then move them all offshore to avoid paying any tax. It's a scam, they are ripping you off and convinced you it's right.
SamR380 said:
Because businesses will clearly not leave, they had to slip in the nuclear war bit. Pretty desperate.
What happened after a fairer tax regime was implemented? Our education, health and social care systems were properly funded, followed by a generation of growth and country of open minded, contented people.
I take it you are not old enough to remember the 1970’s under Labour What happened after a fairer tax regime was implemented? Our education, health and social care systems were properly funded, followed by a generation of growth and country of open minded, contented people.
Things were so bad in 1976 they had to get a loan from the IMF to save the economy collapsing. This was followed by the winter of Discontent
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_Disconte...
Oh and don’t forget the last Gordon Brown Labour government. They left a message saying There is no money left !
So anyone voting Labour must either have a very short memory or just no appreciation of what people went through under a mildly left wing government. JC and John McDonnell admit they want to fundamentally tear up the fabric of the U.K. business model. God help us and our families
So without a sound economy forget about investment in the NHS etc.
These guys are out to destroy the U.K. mind you when you see who they kept as friends it’s no surprise. Just amazed people fall for the old friendly uncle routine they put on in front of the cameras
Ps if you own a house my local labour MP wants to nationalise that as well !!
As we are on the NHS, one issue is that it should revert to what it was originally intended, A National HEALTH service. It needs to cut its coat according to its cloth. Operations and treatments that are to reverse things people have paid for and then realise its not for them, tatoos, breast implants. etc should cease to be. Also treatments that are not essential to health need to be looked at with possibly a means tested contribution required.
Apologies will now step down from the soapbox.
Apologies will now step down from the soapbox.
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