New addition to the forum?

[Terminator X]

Hold on hold on, the future of the car is EV as we keep getting told on here ... what on earth is the OP up to! Surely the Betamax of cars

TX.

[Mikehig]

JD said:

It’s ok I googled it.

Assuming that’s Swindon.

Pump stores 45kg so that’s 7 cars worth (6.3kg per tank).

And can make more at a rate of a tankful every 1.5 hours.

How does that work? Does it have its own natural gas reformer or electrolyser?!

[JD]

Mikehig said:

How does that work? Does it have its own natural gas reformer or electrolyser?!

https://www.itm-power.com/images/Products/HGas1SP.pdf

(Although this seems to have more capacity than the swindon one but the report I read may have been incorrect)

60kWh per kg of hydrogen.

375kWh for a full tank.

Or 5 fully charged Tesla’s

It’s not going to be the future of anything unless negative power pricing becomes a very very big thing.

[Mikehig]

I was questioning this comment:
<< And can make more at a rate of a tankful every 1.5 hours.>>

I rather doubt that hydrogen is being generated onsite. More likely there is a bank of cylinders nearby which is replaced when empty by one of the industrial gas companies.

[JD]

Mikehig said:

I was questioning this comment:
<< And can make more at a rate of a tankful every 1.5 hours.>>

I rather doubt that hydrogen is being generated onsite. More likely there is a bank of cylinders nearby which is replaced when empty by one of the industrial gas companies.

I’ve literally just posted an example of the exact machine type they have on this site.

They manufacture on site via electrolysis.

[Mikehig]

Thanks for that, JD - and apologies for doubting the earlier post.

That's some complicated and expensive kit to install for such a small throughput in terms of car refills:

<< The HGas1SP Plug&Play product includes a single ITM high-efficient PEM electrolyser stack alongside all the necessary sub-systems required to produce high-purity, self-pressurised hydrogen gas. The MEP1 is rated at ~0.7MW start of life (including all sub-systems) and is able to produce ~270kg of hydrogen per day. The fully integrated turn-key system is packaged in two separate ISO containers. The Electrolyser container includes the electrolyser stack, process equipment (including water clean-up), hydrogen purification and a PLC control system. The Power Supply container includes power distribution within the equipment and rectifiers for the electrolyser stacks.>>

[RobDickinson]

It's not like lpg filling, it's at insane psi.

[jimbouk]

Certainly is at high pressure





It stops fueling when it reaches 10,000 psi !

OP is very happy so far, not everyone has the same objectives

Even if his images are not correctly the right way up!

[RobDickinson]

Are you paying for the fuel or is that part of the lease deal?

[carreauchompeur]

Fascinating, nice to see an alterñative to batteries

[jimbouk]

We pay for the fuel, think it’s somewhere around £40 a tank.

[Mikehig]

I had read somewhere that the car's tank runs at 700 bar - your post confirms it.
Interestingly the info on the electrolyser package that was linked to earlier gives the output pressure as 20 bar so there is some serious compression going on somewhere.....
That lock-on nozzle sounds like a good idea!

[budgie smuggler]

jjwilde said:

JxJ Jr. said:

What's the issue, the limited existing infrastructure, the infrastructure being out of use, or something vehicle-specific?

There are numerous issues, a few of the green websites have been covering it. There is a facebook group for the owners and... it isn't pretty reading it. There are a lot of angry people on there. Many of them trying to get out of their leases.

Any links? Everything i'm finding is owners gushing over them.

[gangzoom]

Mikehig said:

I had read somewhere that the car's tank runs at 700 bar - your post confirms it.
Interestingly the info on the electrolyser package that was linked to earlier gives the output pressure as 20 bar so there is some serious compression going on somewhere.....
That lock-on nozzle sounds like a good idea!

The amount of equipment and energy needed cannot be straight forwards. As much as oil companies want these these fuel stations to replace petrol stations I cannot see that happening. Hydrogen is so much harder to handel as a fuel, no chance of just grabbing a Jerry can and topping up!

[anonymous-user]

gangzoom said:

Mikehig said:

I had read somewhere that the car's tank runs at 700 bar - your post confirms it.
Interestingly the info on the electrolyser package that was linked to earlier gives the output pressure as 20 bar so there is some serious compression going on somewhere.....
That lock-on nozzle sounds like a good idea!

The amount of equipment and energy needed cannot be straight forwards. As much as oil companies want these these fuel stations to replace petrol stations I cannot see that happening. Hydrogen is so much harder to handel as a fuel, no chance of just grabbing a Jerry can and topping up!

Same as an EV then?

[jjwilde]

REALIST123 said:

Same as an EV then?

He's talking about petrol stations and that they are hoping hydrogen will replace petrol so they can keep selling us it. But indeed it isn't that simple.

[anonymous-user]

jjwilde said:

REALIST123 said:

Same as an EV then?

He's talking about petrol stations and that they are hoping hydrogen will replace petrol so they can keep selling us it. But indeed it isn't that simple.

Yes, I read his post. I know that.

[jimbouk]

May not be from a supplier / vendor perspective, but from a user experience not that different to a pay at pump petrol fill up.

[gangzoom]

Any more updates? Total mileage covered so far? Any plans to use it beyond its max bingo range from the nearest fuel station?

[HarryCrowth]

Keep us updated please. Does a 5 minute fill up really get you 414 miles?