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Richard-D said:
Your response is typical of what I would expect. Doesn't know, doesn't consider, can't be bothered, closed mind. Standard for people who can't or won't see past EVs being a single solution so dismisses everything else instantly without thought.
No. Hydrogen is a dead end tech. It's like saying we may as well use video tapes again instead of the internet. I mean you could make an argument for that and it would be about as silly and wasteful.Richard-D said:
Hydrogen production makes sense at locations that have wind farms. Hydrogen produced on windy days at times of low grid demand. It's fantastic if employed cleverly, inefficient and polluting if using energy produced in fossil fuel power stations. Don't get hung up on thinking there has to be a single solution.
Probably the reason Germany is persuing Hydrogen. There is so much Wind and Solar installed I have seen negative intraday energy prices in the market on a hot windy summers day. Austria another good example where 70% of generation is Hydro.jamoor said:
The smartest use of hydrogen that I have seen is for installing remote charging stations. Instead of wiring it up on a remote hillside in Wales, just install a hydrogen tank and use it to make electricity to charge cars.
Or just do what Tesla do and use battery banks and it's much cheaper, safer and easier to maintain. No Hydrogen explosions which is how that set up was shut down in Norway.
jjwilde said:
jamoor said:
The smartest use of hydrogen that I have seen is for installing remote charging stations. Instead of wiring it up on a remote hillside in Wales, just install a hydrogen tank and use it to make electricity to charge cars.
Or just do what Tesla do and use battery banks and it's much cheaper, safer and easier to maintain. No Hydrogen explosions which is how that set up was shut down in Norway.Li-ion fires have caused cargo aircraft to burn and crash - carriage now restricted by FAA for example.
Hydrogen is evolving - Germany and Japan are renowned for innovation and supreme engineering, both nations investing and exploring solutions.
coetzeeh said:
Li-ion not without its issues as Tesla have discovered first hand. Stacked in any material number it presents serious fire and explosive risks - in data centre environment for example you are unable to insure unless contained externally and some distance from site.
Li-ion fires have caused cargo aircraft to burn and crash - carriage now restricted by FAA for example.
Hydrogen is evolving - Germany and Japan are renowned for innovation and supreme engineering, both nations investing and exploring solutions.
lolzLi-ion fires have caused cargo aircraft to burn and crash - carriage now restricted by FAA for example.
Hydrogen is evolving - Germany and Japan are renowned for innovation and supreme engineering, both nations investing and exploring solutions.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/huge-tes...
Edited by RobDickinson on Monday 30th December 19:58
Safety is one thing, but I haven't found any evidence of a commercially viable liquid hydrogen production plant using renewables and electrolysis. Hydrogen is currently produced from fossil fuels in the commercial sector at present, which is a convenient thing to forget when raving about its eco-credentials.
RobDickinson said:
coetzeeh said:
Li-ion not without its issues as Tesla have discovered first hand. Stacked in any material number it presents serious fire and explosive risks - in data centre environment for example you are unable to insure unless contained externally and some distance from site.
Li-ion fires have caused cargo aircraft to burn and crash - carriage now restricted by FAA for example.
Hydrogen is evolving - Germany and Japan are renowned for innovation and supreme engineering, both nations investing and exploring solutions.
lolzLi-ion fires have caused cargo aircraft to burn and crash - carriage now restricted by FAA for example.
Hydrogen is evolving - Germany and Japan are renowned for innovation and supreme engineering, both nations investing and exploring solutions.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/huge-tes...
Edited by RobDickinson on Monday 30th December 19:58
keep up at the back.coetzeeh said:
jjwilde said:
jamoor said:
The smartest use of hydrogen that I have seen is for installing remote charging stations. Instead of wiring it up on a remote hillside in Wales, just install a hydrogen tank and use it to make electricity to charge cars.
Or just do what Tesla do and use battery banks and it's much cheaper, safer and easier to maintain. No Hydrogen explosions which is how that set up was shut down in Norway.Li-ion fires have caused cargo aircraft to burn and crash - carriage now restricted by FAA for example.
Hydrogen is evolving - Germany and Japan are renowned for innovation and supreme engineering, both nations investing and exploring solutions.
Try transporting tanks of hydrogen on an aircraft and see what the FAA have to say about that.
Also, try getting insurance (if you can even get anyone bonkers enough to build it in the first place) on a hydrogen fuel cell UPS system for a data center facility that is even remotely commercially viable.
dvs_dave said:
coetzeeh said:
jjwilde said:
jamoor said:
The smartest use of hydrogen that I have seen is for installing remote charging stations. Instead of wiring it up on a remote hillside in Wales, just install a hydrogen tank and use it to make electricity to charge cars.
Or just do what Tesla do and use battery banks and it's much cheaper, safer and easier to maintain. No Hydrogen explosions which is how that set up was shut down in Norway.Li-ion fires have caused cargo aircraft to burn and crash - carriage now restricted by FAA for example.
Hydrogen is evolving - Germany and Japan are renowned for innovation and supreme engineering, both nations investing and exploring solutions.
tty energy store riddled with issues which are not going away.I love the idea of hydrogen, not least because you can have ICEs running off it, so V8s can live on.
My OH did some stuff with a BMW hydrogen project 10-15 years ago and one of the physical constraints preventing usefulness was boil-off as the fuel was stored cryogenically. Park up before a 2 week holiday, and when you return the tank is essentially empty.
Presumably the 700 bar tank of gaseous hydrogen on this doesn't need to vent in normal circumstances?
My OH did some stuff with a BMW hydrogen project 10-15 years ago and one of the physical constraints preventing usefulness was boil-off as the fuel was stored cryogenically. Park up before a 2 week holiday, and when you return the tank is essentially empty.
Presumably the 700 bar tank of gaseous hydrogen on this doesn't need to vent in normal circumstances?
coetzeeh said:
Li-ion not without its issues as Tesla have discovered first hand. Stacked in any material number it presents serious fire and explosive risks - in data centre environment for example you are unable to insure unless contained externally and some distance from site.
Li-ion fires have caused cargo aircraft to burn and crash - carriage now restricted by FAA for example.
Hydrogen is evolving - Germany and Japan are renowned for innovation and supreme engineering, both nations investing and exploring solutions.
they only people pushing hydrogen is the big Japanese and German car makers, i guess they prefer a car model that keeps the service centres busy Li-ion fires have caused cargo aircraft to burn and crash - carriage now restricted by FAA for example.
Hydrogen is evolving - Germany and Japan are renowned for innovation and supreme engineering, both nations investing and exploring solutions.
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