"Battery Bucks"...

[RobDickinson]

irocfan said:

fair point - however 're-fueling' is one area where ICE power-trains have EV's licked

Yeah refuelling at home in a few seconds is such a hardship.

[RobDickinson]

amstrange1 said:

They understand the relationship very well, an EV drivetrain is easy to model compared to the more complex hybrid architectures most of the OEMs are already experts in. Where the casual observer's view of an OEM's apparent understanding is skewed, is in the subtleties of attribute trade-offs made by OEMs to make an all-round better** car at the expense of potential overall range or efficiency.

• Better being hugely subjective of course. But the established OEMs all have decades of market data supporting their view of what "better" is and what attribute trade-offs customers typically like. This is where the early adopters skew things massively of course, as they are not typical customers.

Yeah that's why sales for the etron and ipace have pushed tesla into irrelevance right?

[irocfan]

RobDickinson said:

irocfan said:

fair point - however 're-fueling' is one area where ICE power-trains have EV's licked

Yeah refuelling at home in a few seconds is such a hardship.

hardly a few seconds - plus, as I think you know, I'm referring to refueling en-route (eg London to Liverpool)

[300bhp/ton]

RobDickinson said:

irocfan said:

fair point - however 're-fueling' is one area where ICE power-trains have EV's licked

Yeah refuelling at home in a few seconds is such a hardship.

Multiple 1000's of seconds you mean. Which of course isn't even an option for a VAST area of the population. And no, I'm not anti EV either.

[Major T]

300bhp/ton said:

RobDickinson said:

irocfan said:

fair point - however 're-fueling' is one area where ICE power-trains have EV's licked

Yeah refuelling at home in a few seconds is such a hardship.

Multiple 1000's of seconds you mean. Which of course isn't even an option for a VAST area of the population. And no, I'm not anti EV either.

Personal time required to charge at home: Insert cable.

[irocfan]

Major T said:

300bhp/ton said:

RobDickinson said:

irocfan said:

fair point - however 're-fueling' is one area where ICE power-trains have EV's licked

Yeah refuelling at home in a few seconds is such a hardship.

Multiple 1000's of seconds you mean. Which of course isn't even an option for a VAST area of the population. And no, I'm not anti EV either.

Personal time required to charge at home: Insert cable.

and time taken to refill betwixt London and Liverpool?

[RobDickinson]

irocfan said:

and time taken to refill betwixt London and Liverpool?

That's 200ish miles I wouldn't need to stop.

I probably would for a coffee though

[irocfan]

RobDickinson said:

irocfan said:

and time taken to refill betwixt London and Liverpool?

That's 200ish miles I wouldn't need to stop.

I probably would for a coffee though

I guess that it does depend on your lecky car - reading on another thread that some chap's iPace only gets 160 miles really does not do an awful lot for confidence.

[RobDickinson]

irocfan said:

RobDickinson said:

irocfan said:

and time taken to refill betwixt London and Liverpool?

That's 200ish miles I wouldn't need to stop.

I probably would for a coffee though

I guess that it does depend on your lecky car - reading on another thread that some chap's iPace only gets 160 miles really does not do an awful lot for confidence.

it does, if you regulaly do long distance trips then its best to buy a car that can cope with it.

Though 160 miles is pretty worst case for the iPace I think and to complete that 200 mile trip you'd only need a 10min stop

[ZesPak]

RobDickinson said:

it does, if you regulaly do long distance trips then its best to buy a car that can cope with it.

This.
If you don't understand this by now you just don't want to understand. I often do 300+km/day so I bought a 100D which could easily do 450, even 500.
Doing some quick maths, in 16k km I've done 10 min of SuC in total. I've saved about 20x5m in filling up though. So net I've saved 1.5h in filling up in just 4 months.
It's a completely non argument unless :

1. you can't charge at home (this could be solved through infrastructure)
2. you regularly do more than the 100D can do in a day