Tesla and Uber Unlikely to Survive (Vol. 2)

Tesla and Uber Unlikely to Survive (Vol. 2)

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RobDickinson

31,343 posts

255 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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Right now, we're closed for business.

Later? No idea there will be quite a queue..

If you're serious send me a pm

Cheeses of Nazareth

789 posts

52 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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Gandahar said:
Is Tesla ever likely to pay a dividend to it's hard working share holders?
Do pyramid schemes pay dividends?

Or do they only get to put money in.

coetzeeh

2,650 posts

237 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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June car sales update available from SMMT.

Tesla sold 2.5k out of 9k BEV vehicles in June.

Tesla Q1 = 7.5k cars sold.
Tesla Q2 = 4.5k cars sold.

https://www.smmt.co.uk/2020/07/uk-new-car-market-d...

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

255 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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Surprised they managed to get/have that many in the uk for q1

Heres Johnny

7,232 posts

125 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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Not even 30% of the BEV market in June? The traditional big quarter end month and with inventory available the whole time? Maybe inventory wasn’t real.

Why would Q1 figures surprise people though - it’s been we’ll known the company car tax changes in the Uk were coming and you’d send your production to markets that have tax incentive driven demand to cash in.

jjwilde

1,904 posts

97 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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Surely the amazing take away is EV/Hybrid sales at 23.7% of the market and diesel collapsed at 15.8%!

The switch is happening mad fast!

jamoor

14,506 posts

216 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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jjwilde said:
Surely the amazing take away is EV/Hybrid sales at 23.7% of the market and diesel collapsed at 15.8%!

The switch is happening mad fast!
Tesla is also in the top 10

rjg48

2,671 posts

62 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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jamoor said:
jjwilde said:
Surely the amazing take away is EV/Hybrid sales at 23.7% of the market and diesel collapsed at 15.8%!

The switch is happening mad fast!
Tesla is also in the top 10
Can you people actually read?

90,000 petrol vs 9000 BEV?

jamoor

14,506 posts

216 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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rjg48 said:
Can you people actually read?

90,000 petrol vs 9000 BEV?
? I’m pretty sure the mode3 was in the top 10 selling cars in the U.K.?

SWoll

18,449 posts

259 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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jamoor said:
rjg48 said:
Can you people actually read?

90,000 petrol vs 9000 BEV?
? I’m pretty sure the mode3 was in the top 10 selling cars in the U.K.?
And the poster above didn't say BEV only either.

jjwilde

1,904 posts

97 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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rjg48 said:
Can you people actually read?

90,000 petrol vs 9000 BEV?
?

Tuna

19,930 posts

285 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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jjwilde said:
Surely the amazing take away is EV/Hybrid sales at 23.7% of the market and diesel collapsed at 15.8%!

The switch is happening mad fast!
Not really. UK car dealers shut down during coronavirus sold very few cars. Tesla has no dealers, and sold more. This is not a switch, it's a (temporary) change in market conditions.

Over the next six months we're likely to see some harsh economic times, which will also affect the balance and numbers of cars being sold. I wouldn't take any of those as indicative of long term trends until we start to see our workplaces settling down and people figuring out where and how they want to live and work, and how cars fit into that picture.

In general though, yes we're going to see a continuing decline in car purchases, which will compress the market and probably increase Telsa's share. That's not quite the same as a mass switch to electric power.

ZesPak

24,435 posts

197 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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Tuna said:
Not really. UK car dealers shut down during coronavirus sold very few cars. Tesla has no dealers, and sold more. This is not a switch, it's a (temporary) change in market conditions.
Yes! Temporary. And once that is over, Tesla is unlikely to survive (vol. 3)!

Tuna said:
In general though, yes we're going to see a continuing decline in car purchases, which will compress the market and probably increase Telsa's share. That's not quite the same as a mass switch to electric power.
So let me get this straight, people stop buying non-electric cars but buying electric cars at this rate is not a switch to EV?

Tuna

19,930 posts

285 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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ZesPak said:
Tuna said:
Not really. UK car dealers shut down during coronavirus sold very few cars. Tesla has no dealers, and sold more. This is not a switch, it's a (temporary) change in market conditions.
Yes! Temporary. And once that is over, Tesla is unlikely to survive (vol. 3)!

Tuna said:
In general though, yes we're going to see a continuing decline in car purchases, which will compress the market and probably increase Telsa's share. That's not quite the same as a mass switch to electric power.
So let me get this straight, people stop buying non-electric cars but buying electric cars at this rate is not a switch to EV?
Sigh. The post I replied to suggested that this represented a significant shift of the public desire to buy electric. Because clearly a pandemic makes people more eco-conscious. rolleyes

I'm saying that yes this is the long term direction, but I wouldn't take any numbers this year of being indicative of anything.

Sorry if that doesn't suit the narrative of "luddites not understanding EVs".

ZesPak

24,435 posts

197 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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Don't worry, it does.

jjwilde

1,904 posts

97 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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ZesPak said:
Tuna said:
Tuna said:
In general though, yes we're going to see a continuing decline in car purchases, which will compress the market and probably increase Telsa's share. That's not quite the same as a mass switch to electric power.
So let me get this straight, people stop buying non-electric cars but buying electric cars at this rate is not a switch to EV?
laugh

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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I thought I'd seen terminal velocity of moving goalposts. Apparently not.

Tuna

19,930 posts

285 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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Good grief.

ZesPak

24,435 posts

197 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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If what we see of early Evs now is a trend, one thing is for sure tongue outeople will buy less new cars.
Why would you if they run 500000km with minimal costs?

Tuna

19,930 posts

285 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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ZesPak said:
If what we see of early Evs now is a trend, one thing is for sure tongue outeople will buy less new cars.
Why would you if they run 500000km with minimal costs?
Yeah, definitely all those millions of 500,000km capable EVs on the road that're causing the sales of new cars to plummet.
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