Tesla and Uber Unlikely to Survive (Vol. 2)
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RobDickinson said:
What's BMW warrenty like on upgrading your car to the latest idrive hardware like?
They don't need to, they not only started writing the software before they sold the car, they actually finished it, original idea really. Apple car play is amazing... you should try it..oops. and the surround camera system... oops... the headlights... oops.. the phone integration.. I can even turn my fog lights on without delving into multiple menus... I can make these comparisons owning both Tesla and BMW.They do do over the air software updates which may surprise you, but they've not seen the need to push out a fake whoopie cushion which kind of explains the market they're appealing to.
ZesPak said:
Maybe on here, but the general population will disagree with that. What happens to the second hand market if electric cars continue to prove themselves more reliable and cheaper to run?
If people are as vain as you put them out to be, why are the vast majority of cars in some sort of resale gray?
Second hand value is one of the biggest factors in affordability. If your choice is between a diesel golf or a Model 3/Polestar 2, it's not really a choice imho.
If you can't sell your 4 pot 3 series second hand, people will stop buying them new immediately.
No, affordability is down to ticket price. Who the hell would pay £30K for a Nissan Leaf ? Cos that's what they are without subsidy. I can buy a used Leaf with 15k miles for under £14k ... where has all that money gone? So its lost pretty much £1 a mile from new. And its a shopping car with a supposed 'huge resale ' market. If people are as vain as you put them out to be, why are the vast majority of cars in some sort of resale gray?
Second hand value is one of the biggest factors in affordability. If your choice is between a diesel golf or a Model 3/Polestar 2, it's not really a choice imho.
If you can't sell your 4 pot 3 series second hand, people will stop buying them new immediately.
Utter b
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RobDickinson said:
What's BMW warrenty like on upgrading your car to the latest idrive hardware like?
Does anybody do that? But apparently the real story is that this can alter your warranty.
There's two points of view here, and as I mentioned, the stark push back that Tesla receives from all angles (starting with big oil/car industry in the States) just creates two camps. Clickbait news just works well if it contains "Tesla", and the more negative the better.
As an owner, you wouldn't believe how often I hear a combination of these
- You can only drive 200 km!
- It takes 20h to charge!
- You put that in your garage? It'll catch fire!
Heres Johnny said:
RobDickinson said:
What's BMW warrenty like on upgrading your car to the latest idrive hardware like?
They don't need to, they not only started writing the software before they sold the car, they actually finished it, original idea really. Apple car play is amazing... you should try it..oops. and the surround camera system... oops... the headlights... oops.. the phone integration.. I can even turn my fog lights on without delving into multiple menus... I can make these comparisons owning both Tesla and BMW.They do do over the air software updates which may surprise you, but they've not seen the need to push out a fake whoopie cushion which kind of explains the market they're appealing to.
I also like the fact Tesla send out regular updates as shows they are listening to their owners and constantly looking to move forward rather than saving everything back so you'll have to pay for it in the next generation of car.
Yes there is quite a bit of silly stuff I'll never touch personally but it does add a level of fun/personality to the car that the Germans lack so again fine by me.
RobDickinson said:
Practical updates from tesla 3 days after being asked for.
I doubt BMW could manage it In 3 years.
Out of interest, what updates are these? Are they how you operate the car, eg location on functions within menus, or more how the car functions with power delivery etc? or a mixture of both?I doubt BMW could manage it In 3 years.
Have they ever removed anything you have thought I liked that and now it's gone?
TheRainMaker said:
Out of interest, what updates are these? Are they how you operate the car, eg location on functions within menus, or more how the car functions with power delivery etc? or a mixture of both?
Have they ever removed anything you have thought I liked that and now it's gone?
Small and large things.. Since I've owned it....Have they ever removed anything you have thought I liked that and now it's gone?
5% more power
5% more efficient
Hold mode for complete 1 pedal driving
Scheduled departure charging, preheating before fast charging
Netflix, YouTube, multiple games
Major sentry mode improvements
It now recognises, stops at traffic lights and junctions, road cones, bins etc plus smart summon etc.
New comprehensive voice control, text messaging etc
Heaps of other bits.
I've just updated it whilst watching Jay lenno, added side cameras when reversing plus a bunch of other stuff.
I don't remember anything being removed
Oh forgot track mode and v2 too lol
Edited by RobDickinson on Tuesday 7th July 09:09
RobDickinson said:
Practical updates from tesla 3 days after being asked for.
I doubt BMW could manage it In 3 years.
Bmw are already selling apps and stuff for their current ice cars arent they?I doubt BMW could manage it In 3 years.
So if they have the experience of installing an over the air connection setup, what is preventing them from sending software updates for their ev cars in the future? Shouldn't take 3 years.
RobDickinson said:
Heres Johnny said:
They do do over the air software updates which may surprise you.
LOL subscription for car play, heated seats, high beam as subscription? Lol. The ubisoft of the motoring world. Some Gump said:
I have no idea why a car needs netflix, youtube etc. You already have a phone. All you need is screen mirroring and bluetooth.
A lot less faff and doesn't rely on your phones battery/signal/data plan in order to work. Use it infrequently when supercharging, waiting for the wife etc. but does work really well and glad to have it.If we're serious about million mile cars - which for the average driver is decades of use - building more and more technology into the infotainment centre makes less and less sense.
The replacement cycle for phones is less than 18 months.
If we'd had a million mile car when Tesla was first founded, it would run MySpace, Napster and integrate with your Blackberry secure network.
Claims that "oh but the software will be updated" are at best optimistic. Try getting your original iPhone to run Whatsapp. At a certain point in a car's lifecycle, updates stop happening as the software team focus on the newer models, the next greatest thing, and compatibility with faster networks, better phones and all the other stuff we interface with.
The replacement cycle for phones is less than 18 months.
If we'd had a million mile car when Tesla was first founded, it would run MySpace, Napster and integrate with your Blackberry secure network.
Claims that "oh but the software will be updated" are at best optimistic. Try getting your original iPhone to run Whatsapp. At a certain point in a car's lifecycle, updates stop happening as the software team focus on the newer models, the next greatest thing, and compatibility with faster networks, better phones and all the other stuff we interface with.
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