Tesla and Uber Unlikely to Survive (Vol. 2)
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RichardM5 said:
phil4 said:
I think you're right on L5. It's just looking at how Tesla's in the UK deal with things now, makes you realise it's a long long way off. I'm not even talking about the software. The software can't currently handle roundabouts, or messy junctions very well... but I'm sure they'll get over that. I'm thinking more about how it deals with dark country roads, sun in it's eyes, condensation on the camera, that sorts of things. Yes, they're all surmountable, just like the software... but I can't see how in the UK a current Tesla with updated software stands a chance on all roads in all conditions.
Even on a dark dual carriageway auto pilot struggles. Come up behind a slower moving vehicle in lane 1 in the dark with nothing behind you and you can't pull out to pass as the cameras can't see anything behind you and think they are obscured. How anyone can expect this to work without installing IR so that the cameras can see in the dark is beyond me. 
Burwood said:
RichardM5 said:
phil4 said:
I think you're right on L5. It's just looking at how Tesla's in the UK deal with things now, makes you realise it's a long long way off. I'm not even talking about the software. The software can't currently handle roundabouts, or messy junctions very well... but I'm sure they'll get over that. I'm thinking more about how it deals with dark country roads, sun in it's eyes, condensation on the camera, that sorts of things. Yes, they're all surmountable, just like the software... but I can't see how in the UK a current Tesla with updated software stands a chance on all roads in all conditions.
Even on a dark dual carriageway auto pilot struggles. Come up behind a slower moving vehicle in lane 1 in the dark with nothing behind you and you can't pull out to pass as the cameras can't see anything behind you and think they are obscured. How anyone can expect this to work without installing IR so that the cameras can see in the dark is beyond me. RichardM5 said:
Burwood said:
RichardM5 said:
phil4 said:
I think you're right on L5. It's just looking at how Tesla's in the UK deal with things now, makes you realise it's a long long way off. I'm not even talking about the software. The software can't currently handle roundabouts, or messy junctions very well... but I'm sure they'll get over that. I'm thinking more about how it deals with dark country roads, sun in it's eyes, condensation on the camera, that sorts of things. Yes, they're all surmountable, just like the software... but I can't see how in the UK a current Tesla with updated software stands a chance on all roads in all conditions.
Even on a dark dual carriageway auto pilot struggles. Come up behind a slower moving vehicle in lane 1 in the dark with nothing behind you and you can't pull out to pass as the cameras can't see anything behind you and think they are obscured. How anyone can expect this to work without installing IR so that the cameras can see in the dark is beyond me. Burwood said:
You’ll want to make a fast exit from this thread or laugh your tits off. This week we had ‘insurance companies going bust because no one needs insurance under self drive. Yet you chime in with a ludicrous comment that fsd might make you sit behind a lane hogger for the rest of your life.
I'm firmly in the laugh my tits off camp. I've used Autopilot on many occasions, in limited situations it works very well, most of the time it's irritating or just bloody dangerous.Tesla quietly cancels the "no questions asked" 7 days return policy.
https://electrek.co/2020/10/16/tesla-cancels-balls...
Reportedly became a major issue in China when prices were reduced 01 October and buyers in last week of Sep wanted to return their cars.
https://electrek.co/2020/10/16/tesla-cancels-balls...
Reportedly became a major issue in China when prices were reduced 01 October and buyers in last week of Sep wanted to return their cars.
Tesla Aint no Apple
Read my lips.
Same as Tesla are not a tech company who just, by mistake, keeps building car factories ...
Even Apple are going to struggle in the next 5 years even with Donald trying to help them out
Being bespoke never worked over time......
You have the whole world against you, for cheap....
Read my lips.
Same as Tesla are not a tech company who just, by mistake, keeps building car factories ...
Even Apple are going to struggle in the next 5 years even with Donald trying to help them out
Being bespoke never worked over time......
You have the whole world against you, for cheap....
Edited by Gandahar on Saturday 17th October 18:06
If you lump together the top automotive companies market cap wise how many do you have to add together compared to Tesla?
Ford, VW, Toyota, Honda, GM etc ....
They are probably worth less than Tesla at the moment but how many cars do they sell per year compared to Tesla?
But Elon has his special rainbow pointing into the land of milk and honey where the gold mine is.
Ford, VW, Toyota, Honda, GM etc ....
They are probably worth less than Tesla at the moment but how many cars do they sell per year compared to Tesla?
But Elon has his special rainbow pointing into the land of milk and honey where the gold mine is.
Gandahar said:
Tesla Aint no Apple
Read my lips.
Same as Tesla are not a tech company who just, by mistake, keeps building car factories ...
Even Apple are going to struggle in the next 5 years even with Donald trying to help them out
Being bespoke never worked over time......
You have the whole world against you, for cheap....
Bespoke = USP and barrier to entry no?Read my lips.
Same as Tesla are not a tech company who just, by mistake, keeps building car factories ...
Even Apple are going to struggle in the next 5 years even with Donald trying to help them out
Being bespoke never worked over time......
You have the whole world against you, for cheap....
Edited by Gandahar on Saturday 17th October 18:06
Elon and his best buddy Donald T Trump are both despicable.
Elon goes on about saving the planet and yet just seems to want to be the richest billionaire on earth. His fanbots being pleased in the meanwhile gobbling up his twitter gobs
te.
How many brain cells have they got between them? Less than the number of people buying something from Gordon Murray in the next 4 years I'd wager.
PATHETIC.
Don't get me started ....
lol
Elon goes on about saving the planet and yet just seems to want to be the richest billionaire on earth. His fanbots being pleased in the meanwhile gobbling up his twitter gobs
te.How many brain cells have they got between them? Less than the number of people buying something from Gordon Murray in the next 4 years I'd wager.
PATHETIC.
Don't get me started ....
lol
jamoor said:
Gandahar said:
Tesla Aint no Apple
Read my lips.
Same as Tesla are not a tech company who just, by mistake, keeps building car factories ...
Even Apple are going to struggle in the next 5 years even with Donald trying to help them out
Being bespoke never worked over time......
You have the whole world against you, for cheap....
Bespoke = USP and barrier to entry no?Read my lips.
Same as Tesla are not a tech company who just, by mistake, keeps building car factories ...
Even Apple are going to struggle in the next 5 years even with Donald trying to help them out
Being bespoke never worked over time......
You have the whole world against you, for cheap....
Edited by Gandahar on Saturday 17th October 18:06
In the tech world things progress, for Tesla bespoke means vertical integration ....
If someone comes up with a new tech, like solid state batteries, or even cheap hydrogen, then you are hung out to dry.
You can't just jump to the new supplier on the block for cheap. Because you are the supplier.
Pro's and cons, Tesla has gone heavily into their new battery tech this year of course.
We shall see.
Gandahar said:
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Elon goes on about saving the planet and yet just seems to want to be the richest billionaire on earth.
Musk is very unstable, but clearly isn't driven by money, if he was he would have done a Rosberg and jacked in his job become another YouTube star a long time ago.Elon goes on about saving the planet and yet just seems to want to be the richest billionaire on earth.
What ever you think of him there is no denying what's his achieved so far. FSD I still think is a con, but than I remeber stuff like this......Ofcourse you could argue Space flight is simply a complicated problem with complicated but established solutions, versus driving which is a complex problem with gets wicked very quickly. I guess we'll find out in a few days.
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Edited by gangzoom on Sunday 18th October 07:03
gangzoom said:
Musk is very unstable, but clearly isn't driven by money, if he was he would have done a Rosberg and jacked in his job become another YouTube star a long time ago.
How can you say he isn't motivated by money? If he wasn't he wouldn't keep bullstting or requiring the SEC to kick him.He has a massive ego, that's what drives what he does, money is part of that egotistical lifestyle.
jsf said:
How can you say he isn't motivated by money? If he wasn't he wouldn't keep bullstting or requiring the SEC to kick him.
He has a massive ego, that's what drives what he does, money is part of that egotistical lifestyle.
Seeing as he comes from a super rich family and has always had money (much like Richard Branson) I doubt he cares much about it as he essentially has infinite money. He seems much more obsessed with proving people wrong which he does seem quite good at.tting or requiring the SEC to kick him.He has a massive ego, that's what drives what he does, money is part of that egotistical lifestyle.
This makes it all very entertaining.
Musk was boasting on joe rogan he was selling all his houses because he doesn't care about money. Joe got a sneaky jab in, pointing he would still be keeping the proceeds from the sale....
His compensation incentivises high risk growth, over short term profit taking. So he doesn't care about money, in the same way a high stakes gambler doesn't care about money....
His compensation incentivises high risk growth, over short term profit taking. So he doesn't care about money, in the same way a high stakes gambler doesn't care about money....
jjwilde said:
Seeing as he comes from a super rich family and has always had money (much like Richard Branson) I doubt he cares much about it as he essentially has infinite money. He seems much more obsessed with proving people wrong which he does seem quite good at.
This makes it all very entertaining.
And when he gets it wrong he lashes out and calls people pedo's. He is a particularly unpleasant chap.This makes it all very entertaining.
Guys, money is just a way of keeping score for Musk.
He's a narcissist and money is part of the equation that supports his own grandiose view of himself.
He is a seriously damaged individual and not someone to have any sort of personal relationship with.
It is, of course, arguable that his 'personality disorder' drives him to achieve great things but sadly for him he is highly unlikely to find fulfillment in these achievements.
He's a narcissist and money is part of the equation that supports his own grandiose view of himself.
He is a seriously damaged individual and not someone to have any sort of personal relationship with.
It is, of course, arguable that his 'personality disorder' drives him to achieve great things but sadly for him he is highly unlikely to find fulfillment in these achievements.
Dave_Rich said:
Guys, money is just a way of keeping score for Musk.
He's a narcissist and money is part of the equation that supports his own grandiose view of himself.
He is a seriously damaged individual and not someone to have any sort of personal relationship with.
It is, of course, arguable that his 'personality disorder' drives him to achieve great things but sadly for him he is highly unlikely to find fulfillment in these achievements.
Blimey I didn't realise his therapist had an account on PH.He's a narcissist and money is part of the equation that supports his own grandiose view of himself.
He is a seriously damaged individual and not someone to have any sort of personal relationship with.
It is, of course, arguable that his 'personality disorder' drives him to achieve great things but sadly for him he is highly unlikely to find fulfillment in these achievements.
Is this kind of insight not covered by Dr/Patient confidentiality?
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