Tesla and Uber Unlikely to Survive (Vol. 2)
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The radio discussion is fascinating but life moves on....Cyclists heading towards the car on the wrong side of the road, not phased by a garage truck, no lane marking, parked cars with open doors, add in some direct sunlight, almost too human like for comfort.
https://youtu.be/6_KVyBL0oe4
https://youtu.be/6_KVyBL0oe4
Edited by gangzoom on Wednesday 16th December 20:32
Castrol for a knave said:
anonymous said:
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He has an excellent YouTube channel and says it as he sees it. He's probably right - it is a bit of a 1970's Gandini cheese dream, that thing.
The kind of person this appeals to, as it stands, must be a bit weird.
gangzoom said:
The radio discussion is fascinating but life moves on....Cyclists heading towards the car on the wrong side of the road, not phased by a garage truck, no lane marking, parked cars with open doors, add in some direct sunlight, almost too human like for comfort.
https://youtu.be/6_KVyBL0oe4
FSD never gonna happen, Lidar, Regulations, Elon smokes too much weed etc etc.https://youtu.be/6_KVyBL0oe4
Edited by gangzoom on Wednesday 16th December 20:32
jamoor said:
gangzoom said:
The radio discussion is fascinating but life moves on....Cyclists heading towards the car on the wrong side of the road, not phased by a garage truck, no lane marking, parked cars with open doors, add in some direct sunlight, almost too human like for comfort.
https://youtu.be/6_KVyBL0oe4
FSD never gonna happen, Lidar, Regulations, Elon smokes too much weed etc etc.https://youtu.be/6_KVyBL0oe4
Edited by gangzoom on Wednesday 16th December 20:32
jamoor said:
An exterior thats hard to damage makes alot of sense on. atruck like that
flatbed that you can drive on to
lockable bed like that one I have never seen before.
P.S I don't know a huge amount about pickups but I havent seen those before but I may be wrong.
I grew up working on farms. I have a thirty year old pickup truck, which over the years has done 210,000 miles.flatbed that you can drive on to
lockable bed like that one I have never seen before.
P.S I don't know a huge amount about pickups but I havent seen those before but I may be wrong.
This is the car that drove into it:
We beat the dents out with a crowbar and a lump hammer.
You can get various lockable bed covers, but I've never felt the need - they get in the way most of the time.
Cybertruck? Meh.
Smiljan said:
Any of the more enthusiastic Tesla supporters on here like to take a guess what the share price will be after S&P inclusion? Boom and bust, meteoric rise or something else?
End of Jan 2021 to let things settle down.
I'll go first and suggest a price of $500.
You’re too kind. Try cut in half within 2 quarters.End of Jan 2021 to let things settle down.
I'll go first and suggest a price of $500.
Tuna said:
I grew up working on farms. I have a thirty year old pickup truck, which over the years has done 210,000 miles.
This is the car that drove into it:
We beat the dents out with a crowbar and a lump hammer.
You can get various lockable bed covers, but I've never felt the need - they get in the way most of the time.
Cybertruck? Meh.
So yeah you ended up with a dented truck that you had to fix with a hammer. Apparently these people have come up with a solution so you don't need to bodge a home repair because you're too cheap to fix it properly.This is the car that drove into it:
We beat the dents out with a crowbar and a lump hammer.
You can get various lockable bed covers, but I've never felt the need - they get in the way most of the time.
Cybertruck? Meh.
Lockable bed cover getting in the way? Well they have the best thing for you - a lockable bed cover that disappears at the press of a button, and guess what it can't be broken into either apparently, which is great for workmen who need to keep tools in their van.
jamoor said:
So yeah you ended up with a dented truck that you had to fix with a hammer. Apparently these people have come up with a solution so you don't need to bodge a home repair because you're too cheap to fix it properly.
Lockable bed cover getting in the way? Well they have the best thing for you - a lockable bed cover that disappears at the press of a button, and guess what it can't be broken into either apparently, which is great for workmen who need to keep tools in their van.
Don't know why you have to resort to insulting him.Lockable bed cover getting in the way? Well they have the best thing for you - a lockable bed cover that disappears at the press of a button, and guess what it can't be broken into either apparently, which is great for workmen who need to keep tools in their van.
The cybertruck won't be hard to dent in the type of collision that Tuna's photo showed. The back will probably need some kind of safety bar to prevent submarining of any smaller car that hits the back of it as it's that high up.
It's a stupid lump of a truck that answers no question anyway.
jamoor said:
So yeah you ended up with a dented truck that you had to fix with a hammer. Apparently these people have come up with a solution so you don't need to bodge a home repair because you're too cheap to fix it properly.
Trust me. It doesn't matter how hard you think it is, it will bend, crack or break. Musk demonstrated that pretty well, don't you think?A truck needs to be fixable. Not by an expensive remote service centre, but by your neighbour who has a bigger hammer than you (or maybe a welding rig)
jamoor said:
Lockable bed cover getting in the way? Well they have the best thing for you - a lockable bed cover that disappears at the press of a button, and guess what it can't be broken into either apparently, which is great for workmen who need to keep tools in their van.
With no load points outside the bed, I can't carry timber or secure tall loads. If I want to secure things, there are truck boxes that do the job. Any truck or van driver will tell you that if someone wants what's in your truck, they'll get it - why do you think "no tools left in overnight" stickers exist? It's not because no-one ever thought of using tougher metal to secure the doors.I'm sure this will appeal to some, but it's a geek's fantasy of what a 'tough vehicle' would look like. Most people buy trucks to be pragmatic tools to do the job, not live out their Iron Man fantasies. Hopefully, Musk will realise this and the redesign will address those issues. But I suspect he's just wanting the shareholders to think he's going to outsell the F150, so fantasy vehicles will keep the dream alive.
Edited by Tuna on Wednesday 16th December 23:01
Cars crumple for a reason, it’s to absorb the impact. Anyone that thinks no crumple zone is good is banking on what they hit taking the impact, unfortunately that doesn’t usually work with trees and concrete mixers. And on your average rear end shunt, the front of the car hitting you will nearly always look worse that the rear of the car they hit, because the front crumple zone is bigger.
People often die in car crashes because of rapid deceleration causing aortic rupture. You really don’t want to be in a highest speed sudden stop accident in a car that’s built like a tank.
People often die in car crashes because of rapid deceleration causing aortic rupture. You really don’t want to be in a highest speed sudden stop accident in a car that’s built like a tank.
jamoor said:
So yeah you ended up with a dented truck that you had to fix with a hammer. Apparently these people have come up with a solution so you don't need to bodge a home repair because you're too cheap to fix it properly.
Lockable bed cover getting in the way? Well they have the best thing for you - a lockable bed cover that disappears at the press of a button, and guess what it can't be broken into either apparently, which is great for workmen who need to keep tools in their van.
Going to have to say that tonneau covers for pick-ups have been around for years and you can go from cheap, cheerful to high quality, secure and lockable - across ALL of the major pickups. This is not a Tesla specific thing. And retractable with a click of a button? Yeah, you can get those too - its not unique to Tesla! Lockable bed cover getting in the way? Well they have the best thing for you - a lockable bed cover that disappears at the press of a button, and guess what it can't be broken into either apparently, which is great for workmen who need to keep tools in their van.
And to be petty for a second, I wonder if its going to be as 'secure' as their bulletproof glass or the soft-ball demonstration of 'dent-proof' bodywork? Excuse me if I wait until its tested and shown to be secure before we give it too much credit.
Castrol for a knave said:
Probably not this generation, but in time, the battery / fuel pack will be replaceable. The tech inside can be upgradeable to a point, but then the hardware can be likewise replaceable.
There will of course be general service items but the core componentry can be swapped out, upgraded.
The body shell is almost like an airframe, without the worry about running out of hours.
People will replace the entire car as new designs are released and such but the operating lifetime will be longer and more profitable to the manufacturer than we have now. Sales volumes will fall but the profit recouped through the ownership cost of the vehicle.
Mind you, I was never much cop at the Urban Futures classes when I was uni - I had us all wearing hover boots and looking like the Jetsons.
What scraps cars more each year is failing electronics, worn out chassis and rotting bodies and expensive crash repairs. The engines and gearboxes are usually serviceable/usable.There will of course be general service items but the core componentry can be swapped out, upgraded.
The body shell is almost like an airframe, without the worry about running out of hours.
People will replace the entire car as new designs are released and such but the operating lifetime will be longer and more profitable to the manufacturer than we have now. Sales volumes will fall but the profit recouped through the ownership cost of the vehicle.
Mind you, I was never much cop at the Urban Futures classes when I was uni - I had us all wearing hover boots and looking like the Jetsons.
These electric cars are full of expensive electronics, cost a fortune to repair post crash and i bet the electronics and wiring looms external to the cabin hate salted winter roads.
ZesPak said:
jsf said:
These electric modern cars are full of expensive electronics, cost a fortune to repair post crash and i bet the electronics and wiring looms external to the cabin hate salted winter roads.
efaThese Electric cars wont last any longer than an ICE.
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