Tesla and Uber Unlikely to Survive (Vol. 2)

[TheRainMaker]

Smiljan said:

AstonZagato said:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202007101...

I suspect these will be collectible one day. But interesting to see that the battery pack needs replacing.

There was some issue with the batteries where if allowed to completely discharge they would be scrap and unrecoverable.

This is worth a watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIB4A2pWu9E

It's a video from the "what's inside" channel, where he takes his Roadster in for work.

[98elise]

jsf said:

hyphen said:

Interesting to see battery needs replacing. Shocking to see the new aftermarket battery will cost 15,000 EUROs.

Edited by hyphen on Sunday 20th December 18:04

With that mileage the engine would barely be broken in on an Elise.

It would have been through 5 head gaskets though.

[off_again]

LimJim said:

FSD subscriptions coming early 2021. Should be telling.

I think that makes a lot more sense. Tiered subscriptions and the ability to drop in / drop out as needed - say minimum 3 month period - and the ability to turn it on and off through the app. I think that makes a lot sense and while it might cause a finance issue in the short term, but the long term they will probably get more people subscribing.

[Smiljan]

LimJim said:

FSD subscriptions coming early 2021. Should be telling.

Where did you see that Jim and do you know which cars it’s for?

[LimJim]

Just musk’s Twitter, so a pinch of salt required.

I would guess any USA LHD car with HW3. Can’t see it coming to UK within a year of USA release.

[hyphen]

Apple to launch self drive/new battery tech in 2024


https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/dec/22...

[Richard-D]

hyphen said:

Apple to launch self drive/new battery tech in 2024


https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/dec/22...

Announcing something that's going to be delivered 4 years away just means they haven't managed to make it work.

[TheRainMaker]

Richard-D said:

hyphen said:

Apple to launch self drive/new battery tech in 2024


https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/dec/22...

Announcing something that's going to be delivered 4 years away just means they haven't managed to make it work.

Sounds familiar

[hyphen]

TheRainMaker said:

Richard-D said:

hyphen said:

Apple to launch self drive/new battery tech in 2024


https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/dec/22...

Announcing something that's going to be delivered 4 years away just means they haven't managed to make it work.

Sounds familiar

Well played

[Dave Hedgehog]

Richard-D said:

hyphen said:

Apple to launch self drive/new battery tech in 2024


https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/dec/22...

Announcing something that's going to be delivered 4 years away just means they haven't managed to make it work.

and then another 10 years to build up manufacturing capactity and a global charging network

I bet Tim Apple's happy he didnt buy Tesla for $45 a share lol

[Dave Hedgehog]

Smiljan said:

AstonZagato said:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202007101...

I suspect these will be collectible one day. But interesting to see that the battery pack needs replacing.

There was some issue with the batteries where if allowed to completely discharge they would be scrap and unrecoverable.

all lithium-ion batteries be it in a car, phone, laptop etc. if run down to absalute zero die, most devices now keep a buffer

there is a company in the US that can analyse and repair roadster batteries

i suspect they will become very collectable, i think US prices have been rising steadily for a long time

[Smiljan]

The have a decent youtube channel too Dave, I remember watching some of the stuff they do to the Roadsters but I can't remember what the channel name is.

The roadsters I believe will become (may already be) modern classics and very collectible for the right ones. The chap from the What's Inside channel has a couple and has done some good episodes and them before.

I wonder how the one in space is getting on, I'd have thought by now all the paint will be gone and a good portion of the interior plastics but I can't recall how long they said it would survive for.

[Smiljan]

If anyone's after a Model 3 Tesla have an ex demo one on their inventory for £36400. Cheapest I've seen on there.

https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/new/5YJ3192_3ce0b6c9ab...

[Heres Johnny]

Smiljan said:

The have a decent youtube channel too Dave, I remember watching some of the stuff they do to the Roadsters but I can't remember what the channel name is.

The roadsters I believe will become (may already be) modern classics and very collectible for the right ones. The chap from the What's Inside channel has a couple and has done some good episodes and them before.

I wonder how the one in space is getting on, I'd have thought by now all the paint will be gone and a good portion of the interior plastics but I can't recall how long they said it would survive for.

Gruber is the name of the company doing Tesla repairs. .

As for the one in space, 3 billion miles and still on the same battery...

[Smiljan]

Still hard to believe it's been up there nearly 3 years. Seems like yesterday they launched it up there.

[jjwilde]

Smiljan said:

If anyone's after a Model 3 Tesla have an ex demo one on their inventory for £36400. Cheapest I've seen on there.

https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/new/5YJ3192_3ce0b6c9ab...

Has this sold in the 20mins since you posted it?! I went to look and it's gone?

[Smiljan]

Looks like it has! Someones got a good deal there, wasn't many miles on it either.

I actually found on here which I think is a PH members site (Johnny?)

https://tesla-info.com/for-sale.php?country=UK&amp...

I'm constantly on there looking for the right Model S at the right price.

Edited by Smiljan on Wednesday 23 December 13:13

[Heres Johnny]

Smiljan said:

Looks like it has! Someones got a good deal there, wasn't many miles on it either.

I actually found on here which I think is a PH members site (Johnny?)

https://tesla-info.com/for-sale.php?country=UK&amp...

I'm constantly on there looking for the right Model S at the right price.

Edited by Smiljan on Wednesday 23 December 13:13

Might be mine.. even though I'm supposed to hate the brand

I get told off if I link to the site even though I direct plenty of people to the pistonheads used car listings who would probably just use autotrader.

Edited by Heres Johnny on Wednesday 23 December 13:29

[Tuna]

Dave Hedgehog said:

and then another 10 years to build up manufacturing capactity and a global charging network

I bet Tim Apple's happy he didn't buy Tesla for $45 a share lol

Given that Apple could crush Tesla overnight, I suspect Musk is nervous that he didn't manage to do a deal.

Apple doesn't need ten years - they've got just short of $200 billion cash on hand and could build out an equivalent to Tesla's entire infrastructure pretty much whenever they wanted. The reason Musk took ten years is because he had to raise every cent along the way.

That said, I'm not sure Apple either needs to or wants to compete in that area, but they could chose to do so overnight.

They also have some serious chops in the image processing and silicon device space, so it's possible they could decide that in-car infotainment and self-driving is a technology they do want to be in, and they'd be able to buy out pretty much anyone in the industry, add their own secret sauce and compete at will.

[ZesPak]

Tuna said:

Given that Apple could crush Tesla overnight, I suspect Musk is nervous that he didn't manage to do a deal.

Apple doesn't need ten years - they've got just short of $200 billion cash on hand and could build out an equivalent to Tesla's entire infrastructure pretty much whenever they wanted. The reason Musk took ten years is because he had to raise every cent along the way.

Stop it, you're killing me.