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Anyway, back to Tesla.
This chaps Model 3 decided it had seen enough of the world and decide to self combust on his driveway at 4am
Wasn't charging, had been supercharged the previous day at 7pm and parked up since 8pm.
2 months later, Tesla still not interested. Won't talk to him.
Nothing to see here, happens all the time with ICE cars so perfectly fine for Tesla's to do it. Don't bother investigating.
This chaps Model 3 decided it had seen enough of the world and decide to self combust on his driveway at 4am
Wasn't charging, had been supercharged the previous day at 7pm and parked up since 8pm.
2 months later, Tesla still not interested. Won't talk to him.
Nothing to see here, happens all the time with ICE cars so perfectly fine for Tesla's to do it. Don't bother investigating.
That looks like a cabin fire and not a pack fire to my uneducated eye. Although given the damage to the front, one wonders if it was an electric fire in the gubbins under the bonnet, or even something flammable stored in the frunk.
And why would Tesla have anything to do with it? It's an insurance company problem, and if they want to recover their losses from Tesla then it's up to them. Can't see why this would be any different for any car catching fire.
And why would Tesla have anything to do with it? It's an insurance company problem, and if they want to recover their losses from Tesla then it's up to them. Can't see why this would be any different for any car catching fire.
Smiljan said:
Anyway, back to Tesla.
This chaps Model 3 decided it had seen enough of the world and decide to self combust on his driveway at 4am
2 months later, Tesla still not interested. Won't talk to him.
Nothing to see here, happens all the time with ICE cars so perfectly fine for Tesla's to do it. Don't bother investigating.
A little strange. Surely Tesla have a duty to ensure an explanation is found, so they are covered for negligence.This chaps Model 3 decided it had seen enough of the world and decide to self combust on his driveway at 4am
2 months later, Tesla still not interested. Won't talk to him.
Nothing to see here, happens all the time with ICE cars so perfectly fine for Tesla's to do it. Don't bother investigating.
CheesecakeRunner said:
That looks like a cabin fire and not a pack fire to my uneducated eye. Although given the damage to the front, one wonders if it was an electric fire in the gubbins under the bonnet, or even something flammable stored in the frunk.
And why would Tesla have anything to do with it? It's an insurance company problem, and if they want to recover their losses from Tesla then it's up to them. Can't see why this would be any different for any car catching fire.
Seriously? Why wouldn't Tesla want to know why it went up in flames? Surely it's in their interest to know to try and help prevent it happening again.And why would Tesla have anything to do with it? It's an insurance company problem, and if they want to recover their losses from Tesla then it's up to them. Can't see why this would be any different for any car catching fire.
It had done 14000 miles, not like some old banger leaking fluid onto a hot engine. They really shouldn't be just catching fire should they?
Every time I see something like this, which is often, there a weird defensive pile on that happens and often the owner is blamed for somehow causing it. Then the old "well ICE cars catch fire more often" quotes fly about. Missing the point that most of those involve old, poorly maintained cars where hot exhaust or engine meets flammable liquids - neither of which a Tesla has.
You've even suggested it could be some flammables stored in the frunk - why would you even think that??
Edited by Smiljan on Friday 5th March 10:47
Smiljan said:
Seriously? Why wouldn't Tesla want to know why it went up in flames? Surely it's in their interest to know to try and help prevent it happening again.
It had done 14000 miles, not like some old banger leaking fluid onto a hot engine. They really shouldn't be just catching fire should they?
It's not happening regularly. Occasionally cars have faults and catch on fire - happens to all electrical equipment. Reports suggest teslas catch on fire some 10 times less than average, so you'd have to say they are on the whole extremely safe and the design is good. It had done 14000 miles, not like some old banger leaking fluid onto a hot engine. They really shouldn't be just catching fire should they?
With that in mind I'd say they are justified in not spending a fortune on investigating a single car that caught fire for what could have been a fag-end dropped in the cabin.
It's odd you say that, they flew an entire team out to China to investigate a Model S fire which took out the car and the supercharger.
This one, I can see they might not bother with.
https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-model-3-cras...
Hot flaming battery cell through your house window landing on your lap might be a bit unexpected
Maybe it's just me, I'm seeing far too many EV's having far too much battery trouble with fires to think that Tesla should just ignore an owner trying to contact them when his in warranty low mileage car just burns itself to the ground in the middle of the night.
Maybe it's an accessory, maybe arson, maybe a hot bbq was stored in the frunk. To just ignore him seems a little lax on their behalf, almost like the don't want to in case they uncover something they don't like.
He has camera footage from the house opposite too, not like he's making it hard for them.
This one, I can see they might not bother with.
https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-model-3-cras...
Hot flaming battery cell through your house window landing on your lap might be a bit unexpected
Maybe it's just me, I'm seeing far too many EV's having far too much battery trouble with fires to think that Tesla should just ignore an owner trying to contact them when his in warranty low mileage car just burns itself to the ground in the middle of the night.
Maybe it's an accessory, maybe arson, maybe a hot bbq was stored in the frunk. To just ignore him seems a little lax on their behalf, almost like the don't want to in case they uncover something they don't like.
He has camera footage from the house opposite too, not like he's making it hard for them.
Order66 said:
It's not happening regularly. Occasionally cars have faults and catch on fire - happens to all electrical equipment. Reports suggest teslas catch on fire some 10 times less than average, so you'd have to say they are on the whole extremely safe and the design is good.
With that in mind I'd say they are justified in not spending a fortune on investigating a single car that caught fire for what could have been a fag-end dropped in the cabin.
Again 10 times less than what? They don't have combustible fluids, hot engines, hot exhausts and the battery packs are covered in fire resistant material. They shouldn't be burning up at all (high speed crash damage excepted)With that in mind I'd say they are justified in not spending a fortune on investigating a single car that caught fire for what could have been a fag-end dropped in the cabin.
Fag end in dropped in the car - what 8 hours earlier - blaming the owner again. Its just bizarre.
This one for example burnt out when parked up in an underground car park. Tesla investigated and concluded the pack had been damaged by road debris.
Is it more they only investigate when forced to and not to really find out what happened any prevent it in the future?
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry-news/c...
I don't know.
These Teslas burnt so hot they couldn't actually find out what started the fire, the 5 Teslas or the 1 Subaru on the rear trailer. Tesla released a statement saying it wasn't their cars without actually investigating and then ignored any press enquiries.
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Is it more they only investigate when forced to and not to really find out what happened any prevent it in the future?
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry-news/c...
I don't know.
These Teslas burnt so hot they couldn't actually find out what started the fire, the 5 Teslas or the 1 Subaru on the rear trailer. Tesla released a statement saying it wasn't their cars without actually investigating and then ignored any press enquiries.
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Order66 said:
It's not happening regularly. Occasionally cars have faults and catch on fire - happens to all electrical equipment. Reports suggest teslas catch on fire some 10 times less than average, so you'd have to say they are on the whole extremely safe and the design is good.
With that in mind I'd say they are justified in not spending a fortune on investigating a single car that caught fire for what could have been a fag-end dropped in the cabin.
Why would it cost a fortune to investigate? They could ask the owner to video call/send anything to them. Or fly one investigator to the site, he would be back in a day. So one day's wage plus travel costs.With that in mind I'd say they are justified in not spending a fortune on investigating a single car that caught fire for what could have been a fag-end dropped in the cabin.
Just had a look a Tesla's own data, fires reported to them - 110. In 8 years.
Hyundai are recalling 76000 cars for battery replacement after 15 fires. Each and every one was investigated and root cause found leading to design and manufacturing flaw being found. LG Chem are paying for 70% of the costs.
I'm not suggesting Teslas are self combusting in huge numbers all over the shop, clearly they are not. Just find their approach to finding out why a little odd. Almost suggesting they don't want to find out in case it costs money to rectify.
Hyundai are recalling 76000 cars for battery replacement after 15 fires. Each and every one was investigated and root cause found leading to design and manufacturing flaw being found. LG Chem are paying for 70% of the costs.
I'm not suggesting Teslas are self combusting in huge numbers all over the shop, clearly they are not. Just find their approach to finding out why a little odd. Almost suggesting they don't want to find out in case it costs money to rectify.
Edited by Smiljan on Friday 5th March 11:31
Agreed. Tesla should show more interest than that.
It does look oddly burnt out to be a battery fire, as others have pointed out. Seems like the front went but doesn't really look like a thermal runaway.
Remember the guy that had his car burnt out, only after investigation it turned out he fired a gun in the floor?
It does look oddly burnt out to be a battery fire, as others have pointed out. Seems like the front went but doesn't really look like a thermal runaway.
Remember the guy that had his car burnt out, only after investigation it turned out he fired a gun in the floor?
ZesPak said:
Agreed. Tesla should show more interest than that.
It does look oddly burnt out to be a battery fire, as others have pointed out. Seems like the front went but doesn't really look like a thermal runaway.
Remember the guy that had his car burnt out, only after investigation it turned out he fired a gun in the floor?
I don't, tell me more It does look oddly burnt out to be a battery fire, as others have pointed out. Seems like the front went but doesn't really look like a thermal runaway.
Remember the guy that had his car burnt out, only after investigation it turned out he fired a gun in the floor?
I'm guessing the burnt out Model 3 wouldn't have been beaming fault messages back to Tesla that could help? Do they only get those if they ask for them rather than all the time?
My M3P accelerates so fast it feels like I'm on a rollercoaster, and I've never had that sensation before with any fast car (even a 458). I guess it's the torque rather than the acceleration, as it is the same 0-60. It's strangely intoxicating. I can't imagine driving anything slower now.
Sorry to break up the "I'm predisposed against this brand so I'll search out things that confirm my bias" chat.
Sorry to break up the "I'm predisposed against this brand so I'll search out things that confirm my bias" chat.
Durzel said:
My M3P accelerates so fast it feels like I'm on a rollercoaster, and I've never had that sensation before with any fast car (even a 458). I guess it's the torque rather than the acceleration, as it is the same 0-60. It's strangely intoxicating. I can't imagine driving anything slower now.
Sorry to break up the "I'm predisposed against this brand so I'll search out things that confirm my bias" chat.
Aren't they just discussing a few cars that have caught on fire?Sorry to break up the "I'm predisposed against this brand so I'll search out things that confirm my bias" chat.
It's the distraction technique - oh look over there my car does 0-60 in 3 seconds. 2nd only to the attack dog technique usually employed.
Makes sensible debate and discussion difficult. At least a few of the characters on here are just wind up merchants out fishing for bait usually, the real nutcases reside on the soon to be defunct Tesla forums.
After hours stock finished at 600.10 or around 33% down on the high a few weeks ago. I wonder if it will dip into the 5's so our friends on here can buy on the dip
I'm expecting a raft of stock boosting "news" to start leaking out of Tesla soon to try and boost it back up again.
Makes sensible debate and discussion difficult. At least a few of the characters on here are just wind up merchants out fishing for bait usually, the real nutcases reside on the soon to be defunct Tesla forums.
After hours stock finished at 600.10 or around 33% down on the high a few weeks ago. I wonder if it will dip into the 5's so our friends on here can buy on the dip
I'm expecting a raft of stock boosting "news" to start leaking out of Tesla soon to try and boost it back up again.
Edited by Smiljan on Friday 5th March 13:10
Smiljan said:
Just had a look a Tesla's own data, fires reported to them - 110. In 8 years.
Hyundai are recalling 76000 cars for battery replacement after 15 fires. Each and every one was investigated and root cause found leading to design and manufacturing flaw being found. LG Chem are paying for 70% of the costs.
I'm not suggesting Teslas are self combusting in huge numbers all over the shop, clearly they are not. Just find their approach to finding out why a little odd. Almost suggesting they don't want to find out in case it costs money to rectify.
For me it just sums up Tesla's attitude to quality. A fire is an incident second to only something that caused a fatality or injury. Yet they seemingly have shown no interest in investigating and introducing measures to fix the issue. You'd have thought they would have been all over it. Makes you think about what interest they would take in minor quality issues. Hyundai are recalling 76000 cars for battery replacement after 15 fires. Each and every one was investigated and root cause found leading to design and manufacturing flaw being found. LG Chem are paying for 70% of the costs.
I'm not suggesting Teslas are self combusting in huge numbers all over the shop, clearly they are not. Just find their approach to finding out why a little odd. Almost suggesting they don't want to find out in case it costs money to rectify.
Edited by Smiljan on Friday 5th March 11:31
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