Tesla and Uber Unlikely to Survive (Vol. 2)

[98elise]

Tuna said:

The UN is calling Musk out over his tweet:

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-bezos-un...

Article said:

The UN's food-assistance branch, the World Food Programme, laid out how it believed $6.6 billion in funding could prevent 42 million people across 43 countries from starving in 2022. The head of the WFP, David Beasley, called out Musk, the world's richest person by far, in a tweet announcing the proposal.

It'll be interesting to see how he responds.,

Probably pointing out that ending hunger for a limited time wasn't what was tabled.

[Burwood]

98elise said:

Tuna said:

The UN is calling Musk out over his tweet:

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-bezos-un...

Article said:

The UN's food-assistance branch, the World Food Programme, laid out how it believed $6.6 billion in funding could prevent 42 million people across 43 countries from starving in 2022. The head of the WFP, David Beasley, called out Musk, the world's richest person by far, in a tweet announcing the proposal.

It'll be interesting to see how he responds.,

Probably pointing out that ending hunger for a limited time wasn't what was tabled.

He (Musk) actively courted them. I think he will make them work for their cash but fully intends making good on the pledge.

[coetzeeh]

Burwood said:

98elise said:

Tuna said:

The UN is calling Musk out over his tweet:

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-bezos-un...

Article said:

The UN's food-assistance branch, the World Food Programme, laid out how it believed $6.6 billion in funding could prevent 42 million people across 43 countries from starving in 2022. The head of the WFP, David Beasley, called out Musk, the world's richest person by far, in a tweet announcing the proposal.

It'll be interesting to see how he responds.,

Probably pointing out that ending hunger for a limited time wasn't what was tabled.

He (Musk) actively courted them. I think he will make them work for their cash but fully intends making good on the pledge.

Buying some credibility will do Musk a lot of good.

[RobDickinson]

98elise said:

Probably pointing out that ending hunger for a limited time wasn't what was tabled.

If $6bn can do that (given they are talking about just 42million people) what did they do with their $8.5bn budget last year?

[RobDickinson]

coetzeeh said:

Buying some credibility will do Musk a lot of good.

It'll do jack st. People who hate him will still hate him.

[hyphen]

Tuna said:

He doesn't need a PR team... they're all on Pistonheads

[hyphen]

Bloomberg on Apple's car. Aiming for a self driving launch in 2025 with no wheel or pedals. And powered by apples own chip:

bloomberg said:

Recently, the company reached a key milestone in developing the car’s underlying self-driving system, people familiar with the situation said. Apple believes it has completed much of the core work on the processor it intends to eventually ship in the first generation of the car.

The chip was designed by Apple’s silicon engineering group -- which devised the processors for the iPhone, iPad and Mac -- rather than within the car team itself. The work has included honing the underlying software that runs on the chip to power the self-driving capabilities.

The advancements could soon make their way into road tests. Apple plans to start using the new processor design and updated self-driving sensors in retrofitted cars that it’s spent years testing in California. The company currently has a fleet of 69 Lexus SUVs experimenting with its technology, according to the state’s Department of Motor Vehicles.

The Apple car chip is the most advanced component that Apple has developed internally and is made up primarily of neural processors that can handle the artificial intelligence needed for autonomous driving. The chip’s capabilities mean it will run hot and likely require the development of a sophisticated cooling system.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-18...

[Burwood]

Pinch of salt. Apple is the greatest company in existence today. I've been invested since 2006 and doubt i'll ever sell it. They are producing the very best chips based on ARM architecture (a hopeful Nividea buy)- significantly better than Intel. Unlimited resources

OT-companies for the future AMSL/AAPL/NVDA/MSFT/GOOG. Lump tesla in that basket and you have the perfect portfolio


the take away is, don't bet against Apple, ever. Not always the first to market. Almost always end up producing a superior experience.

[Durzel]

Greatest by what metric? They're certainly very profitable.

It's very debatable in my opinion how "great" they are in other areas. Their modus operandi nowadays seems to be to fk over indie repairs with every new release, although they did very recently offer self-repair options (because they were forced to).

I'm not sure the people working in the factories who make their stuff who had to have nets installed to stop them suiciding themselves would probably describe them as "great".

For shareholders and extremely first world upper middle class people - sure, they're great.

[hyphen]

Burwood said:

Pinch of salt. Apple is the greatest company in existence today. I've been invested since 2006 and doubt i'll ever sell it. They are producing the very best chips based on ARM architecture (a hopeful Nividea buy)- significantly better than Intel. Unlimited resources

OT-companies for the future AMSL/AAPL/NVDA/MSFT/GOOG. Lump tesla in that basket and you have the perfect portfolio


the take away is, don't bet against Apple, ever. Not always the first to market. Almost always end up producing a superior experience.

I think Microsoft don't get the credit they deserve. Over the last 20 years, they have navigated through all the changes beautifully and seen off the considerable open source challenge. Even with mobiles where they failed, MS Teams is a huge success. And they are so diversified.

It is a pity that they don't focus more on end user touch and feel and design for their laptops, and that they have not made any announcements regarding addressing Apple Silicones battery life which could massively increase the Mac market share. But xbox aside, they seem more focused on b2b dominance.

[Burwood]

MSFT is an incredible company, no question. Every investor should hold it

[off_again]

Burwood said:

MSFT is an incredible company, no question. Every investor should hold it

Have to agree. They made a pivot and a massive bet on something that everyone laughed at. And guess what? Paid off big time! Literally prints money! And they have only just started with so much happening. Interesting challenges and shifts will happen in the coming years, but they will be the center of it going forward - and making a lot of money in the process.

[coetzeeh]

Tesla owners locked out of their cars after app fail. At least Musk apologised.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-59357306

[hyphen]

off_again said:

Burwood said:

MSFT is an incredible company, no question. Every investor should hold it

Have to agree. They made a pivot and a massive bet on something that everyone laughed at. And guess what? Paid off big time! Literally prints money! ...

Whats this regarding?

[South tdf]

coetzeeh said:

Tesla owners locked out of their cars after app fail. At least Musk apologised.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-59357306

Making the roads a safer place

[CheesecakeRunner]

coetzeeh said:

Tesla owners locked out of their cars after app fail. At least Musk apologised.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-59357306

Something doesn’t ring true about that story. When a phone is set up as a key, it’s the phone’s Bluetooth identifier that is registered with that car. And it only uses Bluetooth to determine if the phone is close to unlock and start.

I’ve just exited the Tesla app, rebooted my iPhone, turned off Wi-Fi and mobile data, and gone out to my car. It unlocked and started fine.

Absolutely the app won’t connect to the car if there’s no internet connectivity or the servers at Tesla are down, but if someone is using that mechanism to start their car (you can remote start through the app to let others drive when you’re not there), then they’re using it wrong and it’s their own fault.

It’s wise to carry one of the key cards with you as well, just in case.

[Smiljan]

CheesecakeRunner said:

they’re using it wrong and it’s their own fault.

Just as well Musk didn't tweet that response!

However, as usual it was a minor issue blown completely out of proportion by click driven "media" sites.

This was the issue a customer reported and Musk responded to



No mention of being locked out of their car at all.

Edited by Smiljan on Saturday 20th November 10:20

[page3]

coetzeeh said:

Tesla owners locked out of their cars after app fail. At least Musk apologised.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-59357306

Misleading reporting at best, intentionally wrong at worst.

All Teslas come with keycards and it’s made very clear not to rely on the App. The App unlocks via Bluetooth so does not need to connect to the server. Additionally S and X come with key fobs, can be purchased as an extra for the 3.

Edited by page3 on Saturday 20th November 12:54

[CheesecakeRunner]

Smiljan said:

CheesecakeRunner said:

they’re using it wrong and it’s their own fault.

Just as well Musk didn't tweet that response!

Never did Steve Jobs any harm :-)

[Durzel]

hyphen said:

off_again said:

Burwood said:

MSFT is an incredible company, no question. Every investor should hold it

Have to agree. They made a pivot and a massive bet on something that everyone laughed at. And guess what? Paid off big time! Literally prints money! ...

Whats this regarding?

They went all in on their enterprise cloud stuff.

Not sure I’d say people laughed at it though? I can imagine some investors and “experts” running all the money was in hardware though.

I would agree with what’s been said though - O365, Azure, etc is basically a money printer.