New Toyota Corolla Hybrid - any thoughts?
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Petrol Only said:
And ifs boring drive going to town what ever I’ll take the wife’s auto 120D
I prefer a Corolla hybrid: no vibration, no noise at low speed, less boring design. Maybe you also have the start/stop feature (not as smooth as the hybrid), and i would bet the Corolla has better MPG.Happy you "enjoy" your boring drive in it, I would not.
cedrichn said:
I prefer a Corolla hybrid: no vibration, no noise at low speed, less boring design. Maybe you also have the start/stop feature (not as smooth as the hybrid), and i would bet the Corolla has better MPG.
Happy you "enjoy" your boring drive in it, I would not.
Cedric. I’ve got a bloody hybrid. Just one with a proper engine. So I understand the benefits Happy you "enjoy" your boring drive in it, I would not.
I think you are misunderstanding my points.
Anyway back on topic for OP
Another negative I found was servicing is expensive every year or 10k. Toyota were quoting £200 and £350.
We looked at one for use as a company car for my wife. 25k per year. Obviously if your mileage is Less not such an issue
Sorry to add that was for a Auris hybrid. Not the current corolla. Might be cheaper to service now
Edited by Petrol Only on Thursday 9th January 15:16
Can't understand with a big engine, as you don't have the good MPG !
(I am checking every GS450h on sale since a while now... I will resist !
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Funny enought, in the adjacent post, we are talking the same: Lexus advertise cheaper price for Minor and Major servicing (for a CT) than Toyota (for an Auris)... Something to understand there, as it should be the opposite
(I am checking every GS450h on sale since a while now... I will resist !
)Funny enought, in the adjacent post, we are talking the same: Lexus advertise cheaper price for Minor and Major servicing (for a CT) than Toyota (for an Auris)... Something to understand there, as it should be the opposite
cedrichn said:
Can't understand with a big engine, as you don't have the good MPG !
(I am checking every GS450h on sale since a while now... I will resist !)
Funny enought, in the adjacent post, we are talking the same: Lexus advertise cheaper price for Minor and Major servicing (for a CT) than Toyota (for an Auris)... Something to understand there, as it should be the opposite
Looking at the link you posted, that seemed to be for the Lexus 5+ year old plan.(I am checking every GS450h on sale since a while now... I will resist !
)Funny enought, in the adjacent post, we are talking the same: Lexus advertise cheaper price for Minor and Major servicing (for a CT) than Toyota (for an Auris)... Something to understand there, as it should be the opposite
With Toyota you join their 5+ club which gives you 20% off so the £350 service becomes £280.
A major <5 year service for a CT is still less than an Auris though £295 v £350 which is still daft.
KTF said:
Looking at the link you posted, that seemed to be for the Lexus 5+ year old plan.
With Toyota you join their 5+ club which gives you 20% off so the £350 service becomes £280.
A major <5 year service for a CT is still less than an Auris though £295 v £350 which is still daft.
You could take your Toyota to Lexus to get it serviced I presume. I took my Lexus RX to Toyota before I started using a specialist in Sheffield.With Toyota you join their 5+ club which gives you 20% off so the £350 service becomes £280.
A major <5 year service for a CT is still less than an Auris though £295 v £350 which is still daft.
I was a passenger in an estate version (airport taxi) today and it was bloody awful. I’m also not bought into the “self charging” thing. If you drive a normal car so that you are minimising use of the brakes I can’t imagine that the like for like mpg benefit of the self charging hybrid is significant.
It is physic/logic: as on both case you minimize the use of the brakes (classic ICE and hybrid), the energy is wasted by compressing air compression in a classic ICE while the energy is stored in the battery in the hybrid.
This energy is then re-used to "cruise" and start the car from 0 to 5mph, when you will normally use petrol to do so.
You have similar example in F1 with the KERS: do you think they would bother with extra weight, if it was not worse-it in term of performance ? For hybrid, it is the same, except that it is use for MPG instead of performance.
(i am not saying driving hybrid is driving an F1, hope people can understand the logic behind the example...)
I do agree the you can fast think: the extra weight of the battery (and loss in friction on tires, transmission,etc...) will annihilate the advantage of the electric engine. I thought the same, but fact prooves that it is not...
Once more, PHEV are consuming less than self-charging hybrid if your journey is not too long. But not everyone can/want to plug his car
They are boring and cheap to run (need to understand the service price though), that's the best sum-up.
This energy is then re-used to "cruise" and start the car from 0 to 5mph, when you will normally use petrol to do so.
You have similar example in F1 with the KERS: do you think they would bother with extra weight, if it was not worse-it in term of performance ? For hybrid, it is the same, except that it is use for MPG instead of performance.
(i am not saying driving hybrid is driving an F1, hope people can understand the logic behind the example...)
I do agree the you can fast think: the extra weight of the battery (and loss in friction on tires, transmission,etc...) will annihilate the advantage of the electric engine. I thought the same, but fact prooves that it is not...
Once more, PHEV are consuming less than self-charging hybrid if your journey is not too long. But not everyone can/want to plug his car
They are boring and cheap to run (need to understand the service price though), that's the best sum-up.
Jag_NE said:
I was a passenger in an estate version (airport taxi) today and it was bloody awful. I’m also not bought into the “self charging” thing. If you drive a normal car so that you are minimising use of the brakes I can’t imagine that the like for like mpg benefit of the self charging hybrid is significant.
Proper hybrids like the Toyotas use an Atkinson cycle engine which is a lot more efficient than conventional (Otto cycle) petrols. They use the hybrid tech to make it feel a lot more responsive to drive, else it would feel flat as a pancake. Should be significantly more efficient with the same driving style.cedrichn said:
I do agree the you can fast think: the extra weight of the battery (and loss in friction on tires, transmission,etc...) will annihilate the advantage of the electric engine. I thought the same, but fact prooves that it is not...
People keep on forgetting the 'eletric' bit of the Toyota hybrid drivetrain is to enable the combustion engine to run the Atkinson cycle.150 mile road trip up the M1, near 60mpg, that's probably better efficiency than an electric Porsche Taycan!!
Latest Prius drivetrain are even better, am sure I've seen people report over 70mpg, thats 8p per mile in fuel costs, cheaper than most public EV chargers!!
gangzoom said:
Latest Prius drivetrain are even better, am sure I've seen people report over 70mpg, thats 8p per mile in fuel costs, cheaper than most public EV chargers!!
Yup - keep it away from motorways and it's not difficult to get 80mpg+ on briskly-driven A-roads. Best I've had was 94mpg over about 20 miles, my overall average(18,000 miles) is a whisker under 70mpg.gangzoom said:
People keep on forgetting the 'eletric' bit of the Toyota hybrid drivetrain is to enable the combustion engine to run the Atkinson cycle.
150 mile road trip up the M1, near 60mpg, that's probably better efficiency than an electric Porsche Taycan!!
[Img]https://live.staticflickr.com/8626/16623601088_f80b3bde7e_c_d.jpg[/thumb]
Latest Prius drivetrain are even better, am sure I've seen people report over 70mpg, thats 8p per mile in fuel costs, cheaper than most public EV chargers!!
As a contrast, I picked up a brand new one from Hertz at Geneva airport and drove it to a ski resort in France and back. That was only a round trip of 400kms, but by the time I got back to Geneva the fuel warning light was on. That’s 250 miles on a tank. No idea how big the tank is (I returned it empty) but that doesn’t seem good to me... Nice to drive though, well equipped but a bit gutless. It had adaptive cruise and lane assist (which would drive and steer the car autopilot style for about 30 seconds with no driver input before chiming), heated seats and steering wheel and a nice part alcantara interior. Sat Nav was difficult to use, and Apple CarPlay was either not fitted or didn’t work. Not sure which. So I used my phone and google maps. Was able to control Spotify on my phone (connected by Bluetooth) though, so not all bad!!150 mile road trip up the M1, near 60mpg, that's probably better efficiency than an electric Porsche Taycan!!
[Img]https://live.staticflickr.com/8626/16623601088_f80b3bde7e_c_d.jpg[/thumb]
Latest Prius drivetrain are even better, am sure I've seen people report over 70mpg, thats 8p per mile in fuel costs, cheaper than most public EV chargers!!
gangzoom said:
Our Lexus IS300H which is essentially running almost identical tech is coming up to 5 years old in March.
Not done much miles - 28k in total, but by far the most reliable car I have ever owned, never needed a drop of oil, still on factory tries, 12V battery going strong, even key fob batteries havent needed changing, not a single fault/warning light ever.
Real life mpg is around 50mpg on normal unleaded, no DPF/Adblue rubbish to worry about despite doing all short trips. More than adequate performance and techwise has all the stuff you would expect now, so crash avoidance braking, lane departure warning, rear cross traffic alert etc.
I've been critical of Toyota/Lexus approach to alternative fuels in the past, but the longer we own our hybrid the more I'm happy to admit I was wrong. Not the most exciting ownership prospects, but for the simple job of getting you from A to B with no fuss these cars are fantastically reliable.
This is what the engine bay in ours looks like after nearly half a decade of commuter usage, if you brushed off the layer of dust you could be forgiven for thinking its only just left the showroom!!
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I drive a Prius... utterly reliable. The only parts it’s needed have been because the previous owner had a small crash and it wasn’t repaired properly. I sorted that and I’ve done 20k miles in 1.5 years with it. It’s just trouble free, relaxing, motoring. 55mpg avg in a petrol, automatic. No diesel, no dpf, not even direct injection.Not done much miles - 28k in total, but by far the most reliable car I have ever owned, never needed a drop of oil, still on factory tries, 12V battery going strong, even key fob batteries havent needed changing, not a single fault/warning light ever.
Real life mpg is around 50mpg on normal unleaded, no DPF/Adblue rubbish to worry about despite doing all short trips. More than adequate performance and techwise has all the stuff you would expect now, so crash avoidance braking, lane departure warning, rear cross traffic alert etc.
I've been critical of Toyota/Lexus approach to alternative fuels in the past, but the longer we own our hybrid the more I'm happy to admit I was wrong. Not the most exciting ownership prospects, but for the simple job of getting you from A to B with no fuss these cars are fantastically reliable.
This is what the engine bay in ours looks like after nearly half a decade of commuter usage, if you brushed off the layer of dust you could be forgiven for thinking its only just left the showroom!!
[Img]https://live.staticflickr.com/4820/44780161995_484c0f201e_k_d.jpg[/thumb]
Edited by gangzoom on Thursday 9th January 06:30
Years ago people give them stick for being miserable eco-warrior cars and today they get stick for the whole “self charging” thing. But the reality is, they’re bloody good bits of engineering, very efficient and what we should have all been driving instead of German product with a Diesel engine. The Prius 1 came out in the 90s, the Japanese knew which way was up all along.
Its not actually all that slow, it’s just the way it works makes it feel slow. It definitely doesn’t handle, as I found out a few times in Scotland trying to keep up with an M6 and a couple of 330d’s. The handling is hilarious and arse clenching in equal measure when trying to hustle it. But get it on a long cruise and I find the way it works genuinely quite soothing.
Am waiting for the final figures from Toyota S
horpe but almost certainly going to push the button on an Icon Tech wagon at approx 10% off list.
Should really decide on a colour then whether it’s worth driving up there from Southampton in the part-ex or just letting a plater deliver it then they drive back in mine.
Edit: AutoeBid are quoting ££22,255.78 so 15%ish off.
horpe but almost certainly going to push the button on an Icon Tech wagon at approx 10% off list.Should really decide on a colour then whether it’s worth driving up there from Southampton in the part-ex or just letting a plater deliver it then they drive back in mine.
Edit: AutoeBid are quoting ££22,255.78 so 15%ish off.
Edited by KTF on Sunday 12th January 21:55
gangzoom said:
cedrichn said:
I do agree the you can fast think: the extra weight of the battery (and loss in friction on tires, transmission,etc...) will annihilate the advantage of the electric engine. I thought the same, but fact prooves that it is not...
People keep on forgetting the 'eletric' bit of the Toyota hybrid drivetrain is to enable the combustion engine to run the Atkinson cycle.150 mile road trip up the M1, near 60mpg, that's probably better efficiency than an electric Porsche Taycan!!
Latest Prius drivetrain are even better, am sure I've seen people report over 70mpg, thats 8p per mile in fuel costs, cheaper than most public EV chargers!!
Atkinson cycle technically relates to a crank design that mechanically provides for the different compression and expansion ratios. What we see today referred to as “Atkinson” is achieved with valve timing and has more in common with the Miller cycle. You can actually use early or late intake valve closing to achieve a reduced “effective” compression ratio. Early will expand the Ingested mixture, cooling it down further or late will actually push charge back into the manifold....which means you can open the throttle plate wider, reducing throttle loss. You’re effectively throttling the mixture by playing tunes on the valves timing.
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