How long have we got ??

[RobDickinson]

coetzeeh said:

RobDickinson said:

At the moment if needed peak power is covered by gas fired generators.

These will rather rapidly be replaced by battery stations

At the moment Gas provides 40% of UK Power, Renewables 16%.

Rapidly? Not so sure.

https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

I'm. Talking about peaker plants.

[Evanivitch]

coetzeeh said:

RobDickinson said:

At the moment if needed peak power is covered by gas fired generators.

These will rather rapidly be replaced by battery stations

At the moment Gas provides 40% of UK Power, Renewables 16%.

Rapidly? Not so sure.

https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

Technically referred to as STOR. One such plant recently opened in Port Talbot, it's a 20MW site with 8 gas gen sets, expected to operate for about an hour a day.

The UK more widely depends on larger CCGT sites to supplement baseload operations in replacement of coal plants.

[craig_m67]

mike-v2tmf said:

craig_m67 said:

No. There won’t be extension cords. And to be honest, nobody cares. You won’t have a choice, other than to relocate to somewhere with a driveway if you can or need. Fossil fuels will go, electric will replace. You are going public, transport, on a bike or by foot. Deal with it. Nobody is going to ask you - it’s just going to fking happen. Why the hell do people think that the world is going to stop it’s enexorable march forward because they previously had an entitlement (insert whatever bullst agenda you want). Sort your st out.

If you haven't got a clue why not just admit it instead of drooling down your chin whilst spouting your own brand of weak vitriol

Which bit of my vitriol suggest I don’t have a clue. Read it again

[coetzeeh]

Evanivitch said:

coetzeeh said:

RobDickinson said:

At the moment if needed peak power is covered by gas fired generators.

These will rather rapidly be replaced by battery stations

At the moment Gas provides 40% of UK Power, Renewables 16%.

Rapidly? Not so sure.

https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

Technically referred to as STOR. One such plant recently opened in Port Talbot, it's a 20MW site with 8 gas gen sets, expected to operate for about an hour a day.

The UK more widely depends on larger CCGT sites to supplement baseload operations in replacement of coal plants.

Thanks, why is Battery not used when prices have plummeted in the last years?

[poing]

powerstroke said:

Until there are enough electric cars and vans to cause overloads and power cuts ??
Or will smart metering save us at the expense of people being able to go about their business ..
Will sorry I'm late the car didn't charge soon become a common excuse ???

Electric vehicle myths versus the facts.
https://youtu.be/zLMGDqZ10ks?t=70

Using people from the industry including someone from the national grid. Your question is the very first question asked at about 3 minutes. Short answer, it's not a problem.

[CrayonPark]

powerstroke said:

Until there are enough electric cars and vans to cause overloads and power cuts ??
Or will smart metering save us at the expense of people being able to go about their business ..
Will sorry I'm late the car didn't charge soon become a common excuse ???

After watching the latest instalment from Harry’s Garage, it’ll be a long time before we see a huge adoption of electric cars. The added complexities of the new technology will put people off, and the charging infrastructure appears to be in a bit of a mess.

[anonymous-user]

CrayonPark said:

powerstroke said:

Until there are enough electric cars and vans to cause overloads and power cuts ??
Or will smart metering save us at the expense of people being able to go about their business ..
Will sorry I'm late the car didn't charge soon become a common excuse ???

After watching the latest instalment from Harry’s Garage, it’ll be a long time before we see a huge adoption of electric cars. The added complexities of the new technology will put people off, and the charging infrastructure appears to be in a bit of a mess.

Oh, FFS, where you been for the past 4 years? This has been argued and rationalised ad infinitum; please don’t start the whole thing again.

[RobDickinson]

Harry stting on electric cars is nothing new lol.

Love his channel but he's half a step away from Clarkson

Actually highlites the difference between running a tesla and anything else (well not korean).

Short range thirsty EVs with the UK's sketchy flaky charging network isnt a positive experience.

Edited by RobDickinson on Sunday 19th January 23:06

[Evanivitch]

coetzeeh said:

Thanks, why is Battery not used when prices have plummeted in the last years?

Because they're still not particularly cheap.

In Australia they've been used to provide extremely short term stability due to their rapid response rates, but we've not had the same difficulties in the UK. Wind with battery is on the way in the UK.

[anonymous-user]

we are having some batteries in York

https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/17458106.huge-bat...

some going in near my dad's too

http://planning.rotherham.gov.uk/fulldetail.asp?Al...

[Evanivitch]

JPJPJP said:

we are having some batteries in York

https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/17458106.huge-bat...

some going in near my dad's too

http://planning.rotherham.gov.uk/fulldetail.asp?Al...

Can't see any details on capacity. They may just be for stability and reliability and offer very little in terms of effective storage.

[Dave Hedgehog]

JPJPJP said:

we are having some batteries in York

https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/17458106.huge-bat...

some going in near my dad's too

http://planning.rotherham.gov.uk/fulldetail.asp?Al...

they are expanding the one in auz that Elon built and installing a few more smaller ones, they have been impressed with the response speed


interestingly it has also been earning money as they play the market with some of its capacity

[BJWoods]

RobDickinson said:

Harry stting on electric cars is nothing new lol.

Love his channel but he's half a step away from Clarkson

Actually highlites the difference between running a tesla and anything else (well not korean).

Short range thirsty EVs with the UK's sketchy flaky charging network isnt a positive experience.

Edited by RobDickinson on Sunday 19th January 23:06

but he wasn't..

he was saying how crap the disparate charging infrastructure was... he (like anyone else) just want to go to any charging point, wave a debit card at it, and charge his car.. no apps, no subscriptions, etc. even happy(for the moment)to pay a premium, compared to someone that has a subscription..

just pay and go.. imagine if you had to have a shell app, a BP app, a Esso app and subscribe to all to fill up anywhere with petrol.

[selym]

craig_m67 said:

mike-v2tmf said:

I live in london , there isn't enough parking where I live , ( no off street parking at all) how will charging leccy cars work here ? will we have mile long extension leads all over the pavements/roads ?

No. There won’t be extension cords. And to be honest, nobody cares. You won’t have a choice, other than to relocate to somewhere with a driveway if you can or need. Fossil fuels will go, electric will replace. You are going public, transport, on a bike or by foot. Deal with it. Nobody is going to ask you - it’s just going to fking happen. Why the hell do people think that the world is going to stop it’s enexorable march forward because they previously had an entitlement (insert whatever bullst agenda you want). Sort your st out.

You need to swap that tampon out cobber.

[Throttle Body]

RobDickinson said:

Harry stting on electric cars is nothing new lol.

Love his channel but he's half a step away from Clarkson.

Best to watch the video before commenting on it. He is very positive about EV cars, but realistic about running one, especially if it isn't a Tesla.

I find it difficult to understand how you think there is anything similar between Harry & Jeremy Clarkson, apart from the fact they both love cars and live on a farm.

[RobDickinson]

Throttle Body said:

Best to watch the video before commenting on it. He is very positive about EV cars, but realistic about running one, especially if it isn't a Tesla.

I find it difficult to understand how you think there is anything similar between Harry & Jeremy Clarkson, apart from the fact they both love cars and live on a farm.

Having watched his channel for years and his twitter for years he has in the past been entirely derogatory and dismissive of electric vehicles.

He is only now looking at them because jaguar are involved.

[Watchman]

selym said:

craig_m67 said:

mike-v2tmf said:

I live in london , there isn't enough parking where I live , ( no off street parking at all) how will charging leccy cars work here ? will we have mile long extension leads all over the pavements/roads ?

No. There won’t be extension cords. And to be honest, nobody cares. You won’t have a choice, other than to relocate to somewhere with a driveway if you can or need. Fossil fuels will go, electric will replace. You are going public, transport, on a bike or by foot. Deal with it. Nobody is going to ask you - it’s just going to fking happen. Why the hell do people think that the world is going to stop it’s enexorable march forward because they previously had an entitlement (insert whatever bullst agenda you want). Sort your st out.

You need to swap that tampon out cobber.

But he does have a point. The "I live in London" thing is trotted out all the time as though it's a valid reason why the new tech can't proceed. It sounds as peculiarly regional as those people in rural areas complaining about the lack of decent broadband. It's just tough. New broadband speeds will find its way to a majority of people and a minority will be left behind. In electric car circles, Londoners might struggle to keep up with other communities but that new tech will find a home - just not theirs. It won't just not happen because of constraints associated with a medieval town.

[Chris32345]

jjwilde said:

Are you aware of how much electricity is currently used to refine oil?

Large parts generated from the waste products of refining

[rscott]

RobDickinson said:

35w street light * 20,000, 10 hours a night is prob 300-500k a year on electricity, who wouldnt want to save most of that?

Let alone the longer life of each unit - LED ones have about 6 times the average life of a sodium one. Given that the bulk of the cost of replacing a bulb is labour (our parish council pays about £90 or so before parts for each one they have fixed), there's another big saving to be made when switching to LED.

[poing]

BJWoods said:

RobDickinson said:

Harry stting on electric cars is nothing new lol.

Love his channel but he's half a step away from Clarkson

Actually highlites the difference between running a tesla and anything else (well not korean).

Short range thirsty EVs with the UK's sketchy flaky charging network isnt a positive experience.

Edited by RobDickinson on Sunday 19th January 23:06

but he wasn't..

he was saying how crap the disparate charging infrastructure was... he (like anyone else) just want to go to any charging point, wave a debit card at it, and charge his car.. no apps, no subscriptions, etc. even happy(for the moment)to pay a premium, compared to someone that has a subscription..

just pay and go.. imagine if you had to have a shell app, a BP app, a Esso app and subscribe to all to fill up anywhere with petrol.

I have to agree. I watch most of his videos and I expected to watch this one and see someone else just being negative about electric cars but that wasn't the case. He was very honest, tried 3 times to charge, didn't just use obscure chargers in the back of beyond etc etc.

He is 100% correct that companies providing charge points need to make it simple. I've never understood why charging companies took on this stupid method for charging your car.