Has anyone gone back from EV ownership?
Discussion
MaxSo said:
This is well-rounded piece about (non-Tesla) charging as it currently stands:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/advice/800-mile...
Thanks - I had missed that piece, and it is indeed well done.https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/advice/800-mile...
Otispunkmeyer said:
The one I got a lot of use of in my old job used to make me feel a bit nauseous at times. I think its to do with the wheelbase and the wheels being right at the corners? I dunno, it used to pitch, roll and bob about like a dinghy on the ocean. It gave you that slightly floaty feeling that messed with my inner balance.
Hmmm my wife (who regularly gets carsick) has never felt sick in the i3, maybe because it's smoother in acceleration as it doesn't have a gearbox? She gets sick in the M5 quite often, maybe there's different types of carsickness where people get nauseous in either small cars or big cars? 
Shaoxter said:
Otispunkmeyer said:
The one I got a lot of use of in my old job used to make me feel a bit nauseous at times. I think its to do with the wheelbase and the wheels being right at the corners? I dunno, it used to pitch, roll and bob about like a dinghy on the ocean. It gave you that slightly floaty feeling that messed with my inner balance.
Hmmm my wife (who regularly gets carsick) has never felt sick in the i3, maybe because it's smoother in acceleration as it doesn't have a gearbox? She gets sick in the M5 quite often, maybe there's different types of carsickness where people get nauseous in either small cars or big cars? I put it down to softish springing and the relatively high low down mass. It seems to have an odd jiggly ride on bumpy roads. You don’t seem to notice it when you’re driving, just as a passenger.
We did get used to it after a few hours, especially when we got used to lifting off slowly with high regen, so don’t see it as a major issue.
I’ve seen reviews of the Tesla 3 that say the same sort of thing about it, so it seems common.
Shaoxter said:
Hmmm my wife (who regularly gets carsick) has never felt sick in the i3, maybe because it's smoother in acceleration as it doesn't have a gearbox? She gets sick in the M5 quite often, maybe there's different types of carsickness where people get nauseous in either small cars or big cars?
It could be down to smaller window size in the M5? I heard that kids get more car sick in cars with smaller windows (albeit in the back)REALIST123 said:
Shaoxter said:
Otispunkmeyer said:
The one I got a lot of use of in my old job used to make me feel a bit nauseous at times. I think its to do with the wheelbase and the wheels being right at the corners? I dunno, it used to pitch, roll and bob about like a dinghy on the ocean. It gave you that slightly floaty feeling that messed with my inner balance.
Hmmm my wife (who regularly gets carsick) has never felt sick in the i3, maybe because it's smoother in acceleration as it doesn't have a gearbox? She gets sick in the M5 quite often, maybe there's different types of carsickness where people get nauseous in either small cars or big cars? I put it down to softish springing and the relatively high low down mass. It seems to have an odd jiggly ride on bumpy roads. You don’t seem to notice it when you’re driving, just as a passenger.
We did get used to it after a few hours, especially when we got used to lifting off slowly with high regen, so don’t see it as a major issue.
I’ve seen reviews of the Tesla 3 that say the same sort of thing about it, so it seems common.
Neither of us has ever felt car sick in the tesla and that involves a lot more aggressive driving than we did in the kona!
Cant explain why the kona was so bad, soft suspension/wheelbase/damping?
Job38 said:
3. No EV at present can seem to accommodate two German Pointers
No idea how big a Pointer is but a X can fit a fully assembled toddler bed without having to remove a rear facing Isofix child seat. You also have aircon/ventilation vents almost in the boot area, if you care about that kind of thing.
MaxSo said:
The masses will want to be able to get in the car, punch in a destination and follow the instructions. You simply cannot do that in any EV that isn’t a Tesla (at least not in this country, and even in other countries with better networks I still don’t think non-Tesla EVs have the software built in to find available chargers).
In this country, you can try just setting off and heading to chargers that you search for or stumble across on route, but it’s practically guaranteed that you’ll get unlucky sooner or later.
There’s room for improvement for Tesla too though, I think (although I haven’t yet driven one) - their software could be better still if it also linked into non-Tesla chargers.
What’s really needed is regulation that mandates all rapid chargers must provided live status and availability info in a universal format that any manufacturer (or other software developer) can then tap into to use for routing calculations and maybe other stuff like paid reservations etc at certain locations. (You pay in advance for what the charge your car says you will need and when you will need it. The space is reserved for you and entry is allowed to the bay when the system recognised your reg. plate. If you don’t claim the charge by a defined cut off, you lose the reservation and your upfront payment.
Please to see the Government is apparently reading pistonheads.In this country, you can try just setting off and heading to chargers that you search for or stumble across on route, but it’s practically guaranteed that you’ll get unlucky sooner or later.
There’s room for improvement for Tesla too though, I think (although I haven’t yet driven one) - their software could be better still if it also linked into non-Tesla chargers.
What’s really needed is regulation that mandates all rapid chargers must provided live status and availability info in a universal format that any manufacturer (or other software developer) can then tap into to use for routing calculations and maybe other stuff like paid reservations etc at certain locations. (You pay in advance for what the charge your car says you will need and when you will need it. The space is reserved for you and entry is allowed to the bay when the system recognised your reg. plate. If you don’t claim the charge by a defined cut off, you lose the reservation and your upfront payment.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/funding-for-on-...
MaxSo said:
Please to see the Government is apparently reading pistonheads.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/funding-for-on-...
But if you don’t own the street, you don’t own (or have the right to park next to) a charger. Unless there will be some sort of parking/usage restriction.https://www.gov.uk/government/news/funding-for-on-...
I assume that was about the data side of things though.
The general idea with street parking provision is that you put enough in that you're likely to get a free space within 5m of the point to plug in and avoid the need for dedicated bays.
Agree about the reserving thing though, it's something Source London have been trying but for slower (all day) kind of parking. If I could book a pub or restaurant for lunch AND guaranteed use of a 50kw charger for an hour it would transform a lot of longer journeys. Having a single Polar in the corner of the carpark is a start but if you arrive and it's taken then you're stuffed.
The general idea with street parking provision is that you put enough in that you're likely to get a free space within 5m of the point to plug in and avoid the need for dedicated bays.
Agree about the reserving thing though, it's something Source London have been trying but for slower (all day) kind of parking. If I could book a pub or restaurant for lunch AND guaranteed use of a 50kw charger for an hour it would transform a lot of longer journeys. Having a single Polar in the corner of the carpark is a start but if you arrive and it's taken then you're stuffed.
We went from a CLS63 AMG and a Porsche Macan SD last year to a Tesla Model 3 Performance and a BMW i3s. 2 home chargers on the wall.
The move was partly BIK tax motivated and generally money saving. What I didn't expect was I prefer driving both of the new cars to the old ones.
We do mainly 50 mile max trips 99% of the time, both cars can deal with that fine, the Tesla is used for the longer trips due to the range, comfort and Supercharger network.
I doubt I'll go back to ICE, so long as most of my charging is able to be done at home - I suspect the charging networks are really going to be shown up for the crap they are when the uptake increases (presumably) in April. I also think the Tesla ones will have queues a lot of the time.
I think the i3 will probably go next year and be replaced by a Tesla model Y, I like the i3 but its so far behind the Tesla, and not that much cheaper than a base Tesla. And I have to say the ride in the i3 is shocking on bumpy back roads, like a pogo stick.
The Tesla - well I wont gush too much as I know it offends, but I love driving it.
The move was partly BIK tax motivated and generally money saving. What I didn't expect was I prefer driving both of the new cars to the old ones.
We do mainly 50 mile max trips 99% of the time, both cars can deal with that fine, the Tesla is used for the longer trips due to the range, comfort and Supercharger network.
I doubt I'll go back to ICE, so long as most of my charging is able to be done at home - I suspect the charging networks are really going to be shown up for the crap they are when the uptake increases (presumably) in April. I also think the Tesla ones will have queues a lot of the time.
I think the i3 will probably go next year and be replaced by a Tesla model Y, I like the i3 but its so far behind the Tesla, and not that much cheaper than a base Tesla. And I have to say the ride in the i3 is shocking on bumpy back roads, like a pogo stick.
The Tesla - well I wont gush too much as I know it offends, but I love driving it.
MOBB said:
We went from a CLS63 AMG and a Porsche Macan SD last year to a Tesla Model 3 Performance and a BMW i3s. 2 home chargers on the wall.
The move was partly BIK tax motivated and generally money saving. What I didn't expect was I prefer driving both of the new cars to the old ones.
We do mainly 50 mile max trips 99% of the time, both cars can deal with that fine, the Tesla is used for the longer trips due to the range, comfort and Supercharger network.
I doubt I'll go back to ICE, so long as most of my charging is able to be done at home - I suspect the charging networks are really going to be shown up for the crap they are when the uptake increases (presumably) in April. I also think the Tesla ones will have queues a lot of the time.
I think the i3 will probably go next year and be replaced by a Tesla model Y, I like the i3 but its so far behind the Tesla, and not that much cheaper than a base Tesla. And I have to say the ride in the i3 is shocking on bumpy back roads, like a pogo stick.
The Tesla - well I wont gush too much as I know it offends, but I love driving it.
Yep, same here. The move was partly BIK tax motivated and generally money saving. What I didn't expect was I prefer driving both of the new cars to the old ones.
We do mainly 50 mile max trips 99% of the time, both cars can deal with that fine, the Tesla is used for the longer trips due to the range, comfort and Supercharger network.
I doubt I'll go back to ICE, so long as most of my charging is able to be done at home - I suspect the charging networks are really going to be shown up for the crap they are when the uptake increases (presumably) in April. I also think the Tesla ones will have queues a lot of the time.
I think the i3 will probably go next year and be replaced by a Tesla model Y, I like the i3 but its so far behind the Tesla, and not that much cheaper than a base Tesla. And I have to say the ride in the i3 is shocking on bumpy back roads, like a pogo stick.
The Tesla - well I wont gush too much as I know it offends, but I love driving it.
I do find the i3 a perfect accompaniment to the Model 3 for our use. Great around town, raised driving position and tiny turning circle so easy to park etc. (unlike the Model 3). Agree from a technology standpoint it feels a long way behind the Model 3 but quite like the simplicity.
Took my father out for a ride in the i3 for the first time recently and he was very surprised when I told him they first came out in 2013.
When we first got ours last spring, I felt kind of silly that lots of people had been driving them for 5 years already, and there was me thinking how futuristic it all seemed.
When we first got ours last spring, I felt kind of silly that lots of people had been driving them for 5 years already, and there was me thinking how futuristic it all seemed.
We had a 24kW Leaf for a couple of years on one of the ridiculous deals they were giving out in 2015. It was brilliant for my commute and as a second car.
When it went back I almost leased a Golf R estate but life got in the way and I've ended up driving a VW up! for 2 years. Cheap as chips to run though.
If we got another EV we'd want it to be more of a family car with 3x the range, and we're a bit stuck. The new leafs aren't quite so compelling due to the well publicised issues with battery temp and rapid charging. BMW i3 tiny inside, expensive and you'd be nuts to run one outside warranty. Tesla 3 would be great if they made an estate but the boot just isn't practical. The Honda e has very limited range. I-pace dear and jaguar quality.
It's going to be interesting to see how the id3 is priced.
When it went back I almost leased a Golf R estate but life got in the way and I've ended up driving a VW up! for 2 years. Cheap as chips to run though.
If we got another EV we'd want it to be more of a family car with 3x the range, and we're a bit stuck. The new leafs aren't quite so compelling due to the well publicised issues with battery temp and rapid charging. BMW i3 tiny inside, expensive and you'd be nuts to run one outside warranty. Tesla 3 would be great if they made an estate but the boot just isn't practical. The Honda e has very limited range. I-pace dear and jaguar quality.
It's going to be interesting to see how the id3 is priced.
Edited by njd27 on Tuesday 21st January 20:16
SWoll said:
Blimey, just how bad is the Zoe?
We've had ours (2015 22kWh model) as low as 49 miles to empty on a full charge. Zoe is a great town car and I can't imagine going back to ICE for that purpose, however the range and dreadful heater make it a challenge in the worst of winter. Gassing Station | EV and Alternative Fuels | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff