Has anyone gone back from EV ownership?

[MaxSo]

Presumably in an ICE car remote heating involves remotely starting the engine and letting it sit there idling away?

And presumably this is not (currently) included in the emissions regulations because the car is not actually being driven.

If these presumption are correct, I can’t see that being allowed to continue for too long tbh, and rightly so.

[anonymous-user]

MaxSo said:

Presumably in an ICE car remote heating involves remotely starting the engine and letting it sit there idling away?

And presumably this is not (currently) included in the emissions regulations because the car is not actually being driven.

If these presumption are correct, I can’t see that being allowed to continue for too long tbh, and rightly so.

Of course, unless you fit an auxiliary heater.

Lots of cars have it and there are no plans to stop it, other than already existing regulations concerning leaving cars idling.

Having said that it’s a stupid thing to do in any case, waste of fuel, damaging to the engine, damaging to the environment.

Not a concern to me, my cars are always garaged and reasonably warm. In any case what kind of wuss can’t put up with 2 or 3 minutes of chill till the car warms up?

[SWoll]

REALIST123 said:

Of course, unless you fit an auxiliary heater.

Lots of cars have it and there are no plans to stop it, other than already existing regulations concerning leaving cars idling.

Having said that it’s a stupid thing to do in any case, waste of fuel, damaging to the engine, damaging to the environment.

Not a concern to me, my cars are always garaged and reasonably warm. In any case what kind of wuss can’t put up with 2 or 3 minutes of chill till the car warms up?

With frameless windows like both the i3 and Model 3 just getting into the car could be a challenge if parked outside when the weather worsens as the windows can refuse to drop automatically.

The ability to tell both the warm up/defrost 15 minutes before leaving is a godsend

[CABC]

SWoll said:

With frameless windows like both the i3 and Model 3 just getting into the car could be a challenge if parked outside when the weather worsens as the windows can refuse to drop automatically.

never had that on my f/less windows. i do treat my rubbers though

[Heres Johnny]

I’ve had frameless windows on loads of cars going back to a Scoobie 20 years ago, bmw coupes, it’s not a new thing and it’s very rarely ever an issue, I can think of maybe 1 time in all those years Technically “could be a challenge’ is correct, but I’d say not very likely.

[jason61c]

I went from a PHEV back to a normal oil burner.

Reasons being running costs and range. I'd take the 55mpg over 40 every day, proper sized fuel tank.

Work might offer us all an electric car again, however I don't like the lower quality feel of teslas and i'd want a motorway range of 250miles(75mph/heating/aircon on etc)

[ZesPak]

jason61c said:

Work might offer us all an electric car again, however I don't like the lower quality feel of teslas and i'd want a motorway range of 250miles(75mph/heating/aircon on etc)

I've compared the Model S to the 5 series, Jaguar XF, A6 and E class, and I think for the most part the "lower quality feel" is perpetuated from the older cars. A 2020 Model S is NOT a 2016 Model S.

The MS long range will do 400km (250 miles) all day every day. In the summer it's more like 500km.

[jason61c]

ZesPak said:

I've compared the Model S to the 5 series, Jaguar XF, A6 and E class, and I think for the most part the "lower quality feel" is perpetuated from the older cars. A 2020 Model S is NOT a 2016 Model S.

The MS long range will do 400km (250 miles) all day every day. In the summer it's more like 500km.

The model S isn't an £80k+ car. Its a £40K car.

[dapprman]

jason61c said:

The model S isn't an £80k+ car. Its a £40K car.

Think you got that the wrong way round. From Tesla's own site - long range S (now the base model) starts at £77,700k, performance starts at £92,300

[jason61c]

dapprman said:

Think you got that the wrong way round. From Tesla's own site - long range S (now the base model) starts at £77,700k, performance starts at £92,300

it was the right way round. Its comparable to a 3 series in terms of quality, maybe not even quite that.

[sjg]

REALIST123 said:

MaxSo said:

Presumably in an ICE car remote heating involves remotely starting the engine and letting it sit there idling away?

And presumably this is not (currently) included in the emissions regulations because the car is not actually being driven.

If these presumption are correct, I can’t see that being allowed to continue for too long tbh, and rightly so.

Of course, unless you fit an auxiliary heater.

Lots of cars have it and there are no plans to stop it, other than already existing regulations concerning leaving cars idling.

Having said that it’s a stupid thing to do in any case, waste of fuel, damaging to the engine, damaging to the environment.

Not a concern to me, my cars are always garaged and reasonably warm. In any case what kind of wuss can’t put up with 2 or 3 minutes of chill till the car warms up?

Webasto-type heaters just burn a small amount of fuel (something like half a litre an hour) to make heat, no need for the engine to run. Lots of campervans have them to keep warm through the night. Many car manufacturers offered them as an option in the nordics.

I like preheating. It's not as if I couldn't live without it, but it's just convenient to jump in a warm car with clear windows rather than waiting or faffing about. That goes double when you drop a small child off at nursery first thing in the morning.

[ZesPak]

jason61c said:

dapprman said:

Think you got that the wrong way round. From Tesla's own site - long range S (now the base model) starts at £77,700k, performance starts at £92,300

it was the right way round. Its comparable to a 3 series in terms of quality, maybe not even quite that.

Let's say you compared a new model S and a new 3 series and you honestly believe that, it's nearly impossible to believe you did but just lets.

The Model S will outperform the 3 series in every other way conceivable. If "interiour styling" is the bridge you want to die on, fine.
But saying it's a 40k car because one of the most subjective metrics you can find is on par with "that other car" is just ridiculous.

I love playing that game.
The BMW 330e is a Golf rival because they have similar boot space, making it a 20k car.
The Model S Performance has a similar 0-100 km to a Chiron. Making it a 2.5 million pound car.


I know the above two aren't true, and a car is more than just one metric, I was just making a point. As to how idiotic the "40k" car statement was.
The irony is that no-one in the industry can beat it, even at almost double the price.

[964Cup]

sjg said:

Webasto-type heaters just burn a small amount of fuel (something like half a litre an hour) to make heat, no need for the engine to run. Lots of campervans have them to keep warm through the night. Many car manufacturers offered them as an option in the nordics.

I like preheating. It's not as if I couldn't live without it, but it's just convenient to jump in a warm car with clear windows rather than waiting or faffing about. That goes double when you drop a small child off at nursery first thing in the morning.

Pre-heating is IMO an essential, not an option, if you live anywhere properly cold. We spend the winter in northern Italy and have stuck with PHEVs rather than EV in part because, even if we could live with the extra 4 hours of journey time necessitated by charging, and with having to use a public charger in town, we wouldn't be able to open the doors of the car on some mornings without a pre-heat, and there's not enough current in our village to charge a car (the power goes out if we boil a kettle and run the dishwasher at the same time). It's perhaps a marker for another challenge that may come if there's mass EV adoption.

(The door problem might be peculiar to the local climate - it's often around or above freezing during the day, and snows or rains a fair bit, then drops like a stone to as low as -15 overnight. The melting snow then freezes solid, locking the windows in place and, on a bad day, binding the door shut. Combine that with modern plastic door handles and you daren't pull all that hard. So it's either a can of de-icer, carefully-judged warm water - avoiding shattering the glass - or the joy of half-an-hours preconditioning.)

[JD]

jason61c said:

I went from a PHEV back to a normal oil burner.

Reasons being running costs and range. I'd take the 55mpg over 40 every day, proper sized fuel tank.

jason61c said:

volvo v60 twin engine.

Never bother charging it. 45mpg and 450mile range.

jason61c said:

Just a quick one to say thanks.

Bought one this week,

45mpg, quite amazing for a 320hp, v6, 2 tonne, 4wd auto.

[dapprman]

jason61c said:

it was the right way round. Its comparable to a 3 series in terms of quality, maybe not even quite that.

Apologies - could be read either way - makes sense now you've pointed it out to me

[Griff74]

The lease on our i3 comes to an end in March and we will be replacing it with a cheap secondhand ICE car when it goes back. We love the i3 but it rarely gets much use these days now my partner works from home so a £300+ lease payment every month seems pointless. We will revisit getting another EV used in a year or so, probably once the VW EV City car triplets start hitting the used market and will probably replace our current main car (2019 Polo GTi) with an EV in 3 years when it is due to go back, more than likely a used Model 3/VW ID3/Kia Nero etc.