Mercedes EQC ordered
Discussion
SWoll said:
I find one pedal driving one of the real benefits of EV's so don't understand why you wouldn't just have the regen set to it's highest setting all the time personally. Doesn't take long to get used to, is the most efficient I assume as every time you back off you're putting energy back in the battery and removes a lot of strain from the physical brakes which massively extends life and keeps your wheels cleaner.
This sounds great, but do you know if there is any increase in the replacement of brake discs through rusting? I've had to replace rear discs before on a conventional car, and this makes me think that the reduced braking of an EV might make this more common.Throttle Body said:
SWoll said:
I find one pedal driving one of the real benefits of EV's so don't understand why you wouldn't just have the regen set to it's highest setting all the time personally. Doesn't take long to get used to, is the most efficient I assume as every time you back off you're putting energy back in the battery and removes a lot of strain from the physical brakes which massively extends life and keeps your wheels cleaner.
This sounds great, but do you know if there is any increase in the replacement of brake discs through rusting? I've had to replace rear discs before on a conventional car, and this makes me think that the reduced braking of an EV might make this more common.More a problem for cars that sit idle outdoors for significant periods I'd have thought?
Throttle Body said:
SWoll said:
I find one pedal driving one of the real benefits of EV's so don't understand why you wouldn't just have the regen set to it's highest setting all the time personally. Doesn't take long to get used to, is the most efficient I assume as every time you back off you're putting energy back in the battery and removes a lot of strain from the physical brakes which massively extends life and keeps your wheels cleaner.
This sounds great, but do you know if there is any increase in the replacement of brake discs through rusting? I've had to replace rear discs before on a conventional car, and this makes me think that the reduced braking of an EV might make this more common.When you regen its not a 100% efficient process. In the none automatic regen modes the car will still regen as soon as you press the brake pedal up to the maximum possible (dependent on battery charge level/ temperature etc) at the time and the disc brakes will only be used if you press harder and require further retardation.
cerbfan said:
This is a common misconception, driving in the one pedal mode is actually the least efficient mode, driving without any automatic regen at all is the most efficient. This is due to having the automatic regen off allows you to coast which gives you free miles for zero energy use.
When you regen its not a 100% efficient process. In the none automatic regen modes the car will still regen as soon as you press the brake pedal up to the maximum possible (dependent on battery charge level/ temperature etc) at the time and the disc brakes will only be used if you press harder and require further retardation.
Some cars will some won't, depends. When you regen its not a 100% efficient process. In the none automatic regen modes the car will still regen as soon as you press the brake pedal up to the maximum possible (dependent on battery charge level/ temperature etc) at the time and the disc brakes will only be used if you press harder and require further retardation.
Round trip efficiency is roughly 70% so coasting if you don't need to 'brake' is more efficient but you can do that using one pedal driving by just not treating it as a binary pedal
cerbfan said:
Throttle Body said:
SWoll said:
I find one pedal driving one of the real benefits of EV's so don't understand why you wouldn't just have the regen set to it's highest setting all the time personally. Doesn't take long to get used to, is the most efficient I assume as every time you back off you're putting energy back in the battery and removes a lot of strain from the physical brakes which massively extends life and keeps your wheels cleaner.
This sounds great, but do you know if there is any increase in the replacement of brake discs through rusting? I've had to replace rear discs before on a conventional car, and this makes me think that the reduced braking of an EV might make this more common.When you regen its not a 100% efficient process. In the none automatic regen modes the car will still regen as soon as you press the brake pedal up to the maximum possible (dependent on battery charge level/ temperature etc) at the time and the disc brakes will only be used if you press harder and require further retardation.
That said it seems that electric cars energy consumption appears to be directly related to the speed you are doing, if you're stuck in 5-10mph crawling traffic around the M25 you will get great consumption unlike an ICE car.
RobDickinson said:
cerbfan said:
This is a common misconception, driving in the one pedal mode is actually the least efficient mode, driving without any automatic regen at all is the most efficient. This is due to having the automatic regen off allows you to coast which gives you free miles for zero energy use.
When you regen its not a 100% efficient process. In the none automatic regen modes the car will still regen as soon as you press the brake pedal up to the maximum possible (dependent on battery charge level/ temperature etc) at the time and the disc brakes will only be used if you press harder and require further retardation.
Some cars will some won't, depends. When you regen its not a 100% efficient process. In the none automatic regen modes the car will still regen as soon as you press the brake pedal up to the maximum possible (dependent on battery charge level/ temperature etc) at the time and the disc brakes will only be used if you press harder and require further retardation.
Round trip efficiency is roughly 70% so coasting if you don't need to 'brake' is more efficient but you can do that using one pedal driving by just not treating it as a binary pedal
The regen and one foot driving is absolutely awesome and makes life so much nicer sat in traffic 
As others have said, coasting is the key to making the most efficient use of the potential energy you have built up in the mass of the vehicle, when coming to a stop always try to coast to a stand still, then regen followed by the last resort of using the brakes. In an ICE car I've always been able to achieve the stated figures but you gotta think far ahead! Of course this is not always possible in some instances but it's also a safer way of driving as you will giving yourself much more room between yourself and the person in front.
Something I like about the Kia is that the progressiveness of the regen is controlled by the paddles, therefore coasting downhill you can simply turn it off, and then you can add or reduce the aggressiveness of the regen using the paddles if you need to slow down quicker etc. It's a really good system.
As others have said, coasting is the key to making the most efficient use of the potential energy you have built up in the mass of the vehicle, when coming to a stop always try to coast to a stand still, then regen followed by the last resort of using the brakes. In an ICE car I've always been able to achieve the stated figures but you gotta think far ahead! Of course this is not always possible in some instances but it's also a safer way of driving as you will giving yourself much more room between yourself and the person in front.
Something I like about the Kia is that the progressiveness of the regen is controlled by the paddles, therefore coasting downhill you can simply turn it off, and then you can add or reduce the aggressiveness of the regen using the paddles if you need to slow down quicker etc. It's a really good system.
Mudgey said:
The regen and one foot driving is absolutely awesome and makes life so much nicer sat in traffic
As others have said, coasting is the key to making the most efficient use of the potential energy you have built up in the mass of the vehicle, when coming to a stop always try to coast to a stand still, then regen followed by the last resort of using the brakes. In an ICE car I've always been able to achieve the stated figures but you gotta think far ahead! Of course this is not always possible in some instances but it's also a safer way of driving as you will giving yourself much more room between yourself and the person in front.
Something I like about the Kia is that the progressiveness of the regen is controlled by the paddles, therefore coasting downhill you can simply turn it off, and then you can add or reduce the aggressiveness of the regen using the paddles if you need to slow down quicker etc. It's a really good system.
I do find EV drivers trying to be economical a strange bunch as the savings are minimal.As others have said, coasting is the key to making the most efficient use of the potential energy you have built up in the mass of the vehicle, when coming to a stop always try to coast to a stand still, then regen followed by the last resort of using the brakes. In an ICE car I've always been able to achieve the stated figures but you gotta think far ahead! Of course this is not always possible in some instances but it's also a safer way of driving as you will giving yourself much more room between yourself and the person in front.
Something I like about the Kia is that the progressiveness of the regen is controlled by the paddles, therefore coasting downhill you can simply turn it off, and then you can add or reduce the aggressiveness of the regen using the paddles if you need to slow down quicker etc. It's a really good system.
I calculated to fuel a Model 3 for 10,000 to be 4ppm which is £400 .
If driving uneconomically means you use 20% more energy its what an extra £80?
If you look at a petrol car which costs 20ppm = £2,000 and the 20% more fuel = £400 which isn't exactly an insignificant number.
jamoor said:
Mudgey said:
The regen and one foot driving is absolutely awesome and makes life so much nicer sat in traffic
As others have said, coasting is the key to making the most efficient use of the potential energy you have built up in the mass of the vehicle, when coming to a stop always try to coast to a stand still, then regen followed by the last resort of using the brakes. In an ICE car I've always been able to achieve the stated figures but you gotta think far ahead! Of course this is not always possible in some instances but it's also a safer way of driving as you will giving yourself much more room between yourself and the person in front.
Something I like about the Kia is that the progressiveness of the regen is controlled by the paddles, therefore coasting downhill you can simply turn it off, and then you can add or reduce the aggressiveness of the regen using the paddles if you need to slow down quicker etc. It's a really good system.
I do find EV drivers trying to be economical a strange bunch as the savings are minimal.As others have said, coasting is the key to making the most efficient use of the potential energy you have built up in the mass of the vehicle, when coming to a stop always try to coast to a stand still, then regen followed by the last resort of using the brakes. In an ICE car I've always been able to achieve the stated figures but you gotta think far ahead! Of course this is not always possible in some instances but it's also a safer way of driving as you will giving yourself much more room between yourself and the person in front.
Something I like about the Kia is that the progressiveness of the regen is controlled by the paddles, therefore coasting downhill you can simply turn it off, and then you can add or reduce the aggressiveness of the regen using the paddles if you need to slow down quicker etc. It's a really good system.
I calculated to fuel a Model 3 for 10,000 to be 4ppm which is £400 .
If driving uneconomically means you use 20% more energy its what an extra £80?
If you look at a petrol car which costs 20ppm = £2,000 and the 20% more fuel = £400 which isn't exactly an insignificant number.
Driving like this is also safer, extends the range of the electric car and also smoother for passengers. Most chauffer's will be taught to drive smoothly which is also more economical.
Mudgey said:
It's not always about money! Not many people here are buying a brand new electric car to save money anyway.
Driving like this is also safer, extends the range of the electric car and also smoother for passengers. Most chauffer's will be taught to drive smoothly which is also more economical.
Plus it's fun to do and makes driving more interesting.Driving like this is also safer, extends the range of the electric car and also smoother for passengers. Most chauffer's will be taught to drive smoothly which is also more economical.
zadumbreion said:
Mudgey said:
It's not always about money! Not many people here are buying a brand new electric car to save money anyway.
Driving like this is also safer, extends the range of the electric car and also smoother for passengers. Most chauffer's will be taught to drive smoothly which is also more economical.
Plus it's fun to do and makes driving more interesting.Driving like this is also safer, extends the range of the electric car and also smoother for passengers. Most chauffer's will be taught to drive smoothly which is also more economical.
unseen said:
Mercedes have accepted the order and advised that my car will be an April 2020 build.......fingers crossed
Fingers crossed for you! I placed my order before you but haven't heard much other than a vague indication that the build is due to start in a few weeks.What's the best way to find out where our orders are at? I saw someone with an A-class order had access to an online build progress portal but I'm not sure if that's available for the EQC...
Someone at MB must have a schedule somewhere....
Throttle Body said:
This sounds great, but do you know if there is any increase in the replacement of brake discs through rusting? I've had to replace rear discs before on a conventional car, and this makes me think that the reduced braking of an EV might make this more common.
Yes I had that issue with my Leaf, had to replace the front disks prematurely. Pattern ones were available relatively cheaply. Probably not the case with premium EVs.granada203028 said:
Throttle Body said:
This sounds great, but do you know if there is any increase in the replacement of brake discs through rusting? I've had to replace rear discs before on a conventional car, and this makes me think that the reduced braking of an EV might make this more common.
Yes I had that issue with my Leaf, had to replace the front disks prematurely. Pattern ones were available relatively cheaply. Probably not the case with premium EVs.REALIST123 said:
granada203028 said:
Throttle Body said:
This sounds great, but do you know if there is any increase in the replacement of brake discs through rusting? I've had to replace rear discs before on a conventional car, and this makes me think that the reduced braking of an EV might make this more common.
Yes I had that issue with my Leaf, had to replace the front disks prematurely. Pattern ones were available relatively cheaply. Probably not the case with premium EVs.jamoor said:
cerbfan said:
Throttle Body said:
SWoll said:
I find one pedal driving one of the real benefits of EV's so don't understand why you wouldn't just have the regen set to it's highest setting all the time personally. Doesn't take long to get used to, is the most efficient I assume as every time you back off you're putting energy back in the battery and removes a lot of strain from the physical brakes which massively extends life and keeps your wheels cleaner.
This sounds great, but do you know if there is any increase in the replacement of brake discs through rusting? I've had to replace rear discs before on a conventional car, and this makes me think that the reduced braking of an EV might make this more common.When you regen its not a 100% efficient process. In the none automatic regen modes the car will still regen as soon as you press the brake pedal up to the maximum possible (dependent on battery charge level/ temperature etc) at the time and the disc brakes will only be used if you press harder and require further retardation.
That said it seems that electric cars energy consumption appears to be directly related to the speed you are doing, if you're stuck in 5-10mph crawling traffic around the M25 you will get great consumption unlike an ICE car.
On the eGolf I had for a while that thing seemed to know what you were doing and it would free-wheel on the motorway, but do some regen if you approached a roundabout. Its much nicer to have the car figure it out for you. By contrast the i3 was a bore to drive if you didn't use the cruise control. One little slip of the pedal and you'd be doing the equivalent of a brake test on the M1.
I think cars with the "regen paddle" on the wheel work really well and you can just adjust the amount of regen as you need it.
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Wednesday 6th May 11:29
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