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ZesPak said:
xjay1337 said:
and of course they are quite a bit more expensive than an equivalent ICE car, so you need to do a lot of miles to re-coup the savings. But then you keep spouting "aVeRaGe MiLeS pEr YeAr iS 78O0" , so you won't "save" the money on fuel
Purchase needs to and actually is coming down.It also costs us about £10 for 250 miles of range.
SWoll said:
The Model 3 Performance is cheaper, faster and better equipped than it's competition so not always the case.
It also costs us about £10 for 250 miles of range.
Great, again, at home.It also costs us about £10 for 250 miles of range.
But my journey yesterday apparently would have cost £30 exactly at Tesla Superchargers, according to a planning site.
And actually cost me around £65 in fuel.
So only half , which combined with the 1 hour of pure charging at Superchargers plus 30-40 minute delay, from detours and driving slower, means that for me that's basically 2 hours of extra time on the road away from my home and family.
Again, I thought Superchargers were free. But a bit of research shows you have to pay and also there are 2 pricing structures? Tier 1 and 2?
Seems simple.... at least they are generally working and empty
A step in the right direction.
MOBB said:
I'm under no illusions that the current EV low running cost bonanza wont last for many years, but I'll enjoy it while it lasts.
I moved to an EV purely for BIK reasons, the fact that they are really great to drive was an unexpected bonus
Heres a problem for govt though, taxing an ev. I moved to an EV purely for BIK reasons, the fact that they are really great to drive was an unexpected bonus
It's legal to create your own fuel. People are already doing it - typically solar. So if Govt tax charging your car - just build your own solar set up. Pretty straightforward by all accounts. Obviously, an investment outlay to begin with, but after that.....
xjay1337 said:
SWoll said:
The Model 3 Performance is cheaper, faster and better equipped than it's competition so not always the case.
It also costs us about £10 for 250 miles of range.
Great, again, at home.It also costs us about £10 for 250 miles of range.
But my journey yesterday apparently would have cost £30 exactly at Tesla Superchargers, according to a planning site.
And actually cost me around £65 in fuel.
So only half , which combined with the 1 hour of pure charging at Superchargers plus 30-40 minute delay, from detours and driving slower, means that for me that's basically 2 hours of extra time on the road away from my home and family.
Again, I thought Superchargers were free. But a bit of research shows you have to pay and also there are 2 pricing structures? Tier 1 and 2?
Seems simple.... at least they are generally working and empty
A step in the right direction.
If it’s half the price and you do that weekly imagine the savings.
Also I don’t know what mileage you do but most of my charging is done at home which is half the price of a supercharger so the actual price of the journey may even be a 1/4 of the petrol equivalent.
soupdragon1 said:
MOBB said:
I'm under no illusions that the current EV low running cost bonanza wont last for many years, but I'll enjoy it while it lasts.
I moved to an EV purely for BIK reasons, the fact that they are really great to drive was an unexpected bonus
Heres a problem for govt though, taxing an ev. I moved to an EV purely for BIK reasons, the fact that they are really great to drive was an unexpected bonus
It's legal to create your own fuel. People are already doing it - typically solar. So if Govt tax charging your car - just build your own solar set up. Pretty straightforward by all accounts. Obviously, an investment outlay to begin with, but after that.....
jamoor said:
You pay for super chargers.
If it’s half the price and you do that weekly imagine the savings.
Also I don’t know what mileage you do but most of my charging is done at home which is half the price of a supercharger so the actual price of the journey may even be a 1/4 of the petrol equivalent.
and how much do you value your time? I can drop 300/400 miles in my tank in 5 minutes - how long does that take you in your EV? I'm happy to save a few hours on a long trip and pay a little moreIf it’s half the price and you do that weekly imagine the savings.
Also I don’t know what mileage you do but most of my charging is done at home which is half the price of a supercharger so the actual price of the journey may even be a 1/4 of the petrol equivalent.
irocfan said:
and how much do you value your time? I can drop 300/400 miles in my tank in 5 minutes - how long does that take you in your EV? I'm happy to save a few hours on a long trip and pay a little more
if i did big trips regularly as it sounds like you do, i'd agree that a diesel probably is still the winner. i reckon i do a journey like that once a year, so would be in an EV like a shot if i could. just so happens my vehicle is a citroen dispatch due to work, so stuck with diesel for a good while by the look of it!irocfan said:
and how much do you value your time? I can drop 300/400 miles in my tank in 5 minutes - how long does that take you in your EV? I'm happy to save a few hours on a long trip and pay a little more
400 miles would be a good 6 hours of driving. I'm happy to have a break for at least 30 minutes in that time at which point I could add enough charge to complete the journey with ease. How many people drive for that long without a decent break?TBH though I can't remember the last time I drove much more than 200-250 to a destination so not an issue, as I expect it isn't for most.
xjay1337 said:
You completely missed a key statement in my post.
Where I said once you can get a 300 mile range in say 30 minutes.
AND there are enough chargers to support the amount of people who will be using them.
AND charger networks at home are good enough
Then EV's will be good.
But I don't see how electric cars will get SIGNIFICANTLY better than what we are at currently.
It will get better. But it won't double again in the next 8 years..
But I hope that it does.
Yes I agree, don't be fooled by advances in other industries like coms, computing and displays. Batteries are much more tricky and Lithium ion is largely optimised now.Where I said once you can get a 300 mile range in say 30 minutes.
AND there are enough chargers to support the amount of people who will be using them.
AND charger networks at home are good enough
Then EV's will be good.
But I don't see how electric cars will get SIGNIFICANTLY better than what we are at currently.
It will get better. But it won't double again in the next 8 years..
But I hope that it does.
Side effect of optimising range and efficiency is high performance, which doesn't come at much extra cost but looks to help sell increased margin for the industry.
Can't see charging progressing much more than 1/2 hour i.e. 200KW to charge a 100KWh battery. And doing it regularly will harm longevity. Again headline fast charging helps sell the car and ware it out quicker and so sell a replacement.
xjay1337 said:
Yesterday as I mentioned I had a very long drive. 417 miles in 7:30 exactly to be precise.
My car has a cruising range of around 400 miles. I drove there, did my work, and filled up on the way back. Which took 5 minutes.
I left at 7:30am, Arrived at site around 11:15 am.
Left site around 2:30pm and arrived home around 6PM.
My total driving time was 7:30 according to my trip computer.
Destination charging is one of the big key phrases in EV infrastructure at the moment. That way you'd be suitably charged to drive home once you were finished.My car has a cruising range of around 400 miles. I drove there, did my work, and filled up on the way back. Which took 5 minutes.
I left at 7:30am, Arrived at site around 11:15 am.
Left site around 2:30pm and arrived home around 6PM.
My total driving time was 7:30 according to my trip computer.
Oddly enough we did some work research recently and in-between all the mental health surveys and training there was some useful stuff. One of them was things that new employees want from us as a company, workplace car charging was in the top 10 and one of the easier things to achieve.
xjay1337 said:
Yesterday as I mentioned I had a very long drive. 417 miles in 7:30 exactly to be precise.
My car has a cruising range of around 400 miles. I drove there, did my work, and filled up on the way back. Which took 5 minutes.
I left at 7:30am, Arrived at site around 11:15 am.
Left site around 2:30pm and arrived home around 6PM.
My total driving time was 7:30 according to my trip computer.
This is actually a very good example of a trip an EV could do easily.My car has a cruising range of around 400 miles. I drove there, did my work, and filled up on the way back. Which took 5 minutes.
I left at 7:30am, Arrived at site around 11:15 am.
Left site around 2:30pm and arrived home around 6PM.
My total driving time was 7:30 according to my trip computer.
200ish miles each way, sat for over 3 hours doing nothing in the middle.
All you needed to do was plug in at your destination ( 10-20 seconds) and you would easily skip that 5 min fill up and save 1/5th the costs and not pollute.
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