EVs in a jam.

[xjay1337]

I agree that if I could have gotten a full charge then great.
But unfortunately this was a pretty big warehouse with a very open flat concrete car park with no power installed.

I would have specifically had to have asked "hello can I borrow an extension cable and a socket please" and run a cable 25m to where the car park was, or block their reception or loading bay , a bit unprofessional :-)

I applaud you (to the previous poster, poing) if you are going to introduce dedicated charging at your car parks. You are providing a solution to peiple whom will benefit. :-)

Rob, Please stop the "pollution" crap, its really tiring and adds nothing to the discussion.
You emigrated to New zealand right? A Return flight contributed over 5.5 tons of co2 - which allows me to have around 16,000 miles in my car guilt free - so please stop your pretentious eco mentalist stance. I'm going to assume you have come back once or twice more....

Edited by xjay1337 on Tuesday 18th February 22:54

[jamoor]

irocfan said:

jamoor said:

You pay for super chargers.

If it’s half the price and you do that weekly imagine the savings.

Also I don’t know what mileage you do but most of my charging is done at home which is half the price of a supercharger so the actual price of the journey may even be a 1/4 of the petrol equivalent.

and how much do you value your time? I can drop 300/400 miles in my tank in 5 minutes - how long does that take you in your EV? I'm happy to save a few hours on a long trip and pay a little more

I drop miles into my tank in 0 minutes as its done at home when its parked for most of my mileage.
On the road your maximum pitstop will be an hour, more typical is 20-30 minutes. I'd prefer to sit in my car for an additional 15 minutes than go anywhere near a petrol station forecourt ever again.

1) Find am empty pump on your side of the car
2) Get cold/wet
3) Deal with someone behind the desk
4) Get fleeced for £70

No thanks.

[RobDickinson]

xjay1337 said:

You emigrated to New zealand right? A Return flight contributed over 5.5 tons of co2

Your right, which is why I offset my co2 through planting trees. because there isnt a zero emission alternative. Like there is for cars.

[ZesPak]

xjay1337 said:

Rob, Please stop the "pollution" crap, its really tiring and adds nothing to the discussion.
You emigrated to New zealand right? A Return flight contributed over 5.5 tons of co2 - which allows me to have around 16,000 miles in my car guilt free - so please stop your pretentious eco mentalist stance. I'm going to assume you have come back once or twice more....

Who cares about CO2? Have you stood outside in a busy city on a winter day?

[xjay1337]

jamoor said:

1) Find am empty pump on your side of the car
2) Get cold/wet
3) Deal with someone behind the desk
4) Get fleeced for £70

No thanks.

Jamoor you make it sound like getting petrol is really hard.

Again if you want to play extreme exaggerated tennis if you want.

1) find a charger that isnt in use and isn't broken
2) hope it has the right type of cable
3) get colder and wetter walking from the charging plug to the depressing motorway service station area and no doubt get scammed into buying a bottle of water for £2
4) find that you have a notification on your phone that the charger is faulty and the app is broken and won't take your payment.
5) work out exactly how many charges it will take to recoup the extra cost of an EV and also factor this into how much you are paid per hour as to whether the cost savings in fuel will ever catch up to the cost of the car divided by the extra time wasting away in a Moto somewhere drinking crap coffee.

Depends how much you value your time at the end of the day.

As I said great if you are able to charge at your destination, or at home. But if you're on the road it's less than ideal. And you can't always charge at your destination........ but Ev evangelicals will argue otherwise because "electric is all around us"... maybe like God :-)

Also have you never paid at pump? My local tesco has long hoses at every pump. There are 12 pumps. Big covered roof as per most petrol stations...

[xjay1337]

RobDickinson said:

xjay1337 said:

You emigrated to New zealand right? A Return flight contributed over 5.5 tons of co2

Your right, which is why I offset my co2 through planting trees. because there isnt a zero emission alternative. Like there is for cars.

LOL

Stick your head in the sand. "Offsetting". Lol

[xjay1337]

RobDickinson said:

xjay1337 said:

Yesterday as I mentioned I had a very long drive. 417 miles in 7:30 exactly to be precise.
My car has a cruising range of around 400 miles. I drove there, did my work, and filled up on the way back. Which took 5 minutes.
I left at 7:30am, Arrived at site around 11:15 am.
Left site around 2:30pm and arrived home around 6PM.
My total driving time was 7:30 according to my trip computer.

This is actually a very good example of a trip an EV could do easily.

200ish miles each way, sat for over 3 hours doing nothing in the middle.

All you needed to do was plug in at your destination ( 10-20 seconds) and you would easily skip that 5 min fill up and save 1/5th the costs and not pollute.

Oh and about this point.
Because no dedicated car fast chargers are installed at many locations in the UK as per my example I would need to break out the extension cable and 13amp standard socket.

From a Tesla owners site :

"According to tesla.com the "domestic adapter" charges at 2.3-kW. They say that's 6-mph, but they don't say for which vehicle. The math looks about right if it's for the Model S. The Model X would be a bit less, maybe 4-5 mph. Of course those are rated miles and YMMV."

WOW !!!! So 2.5 hours I was on site I'd have gained a whole 15 miles at best.
That will get me home!!!!!!!!

[RobDickinson]

Good luck with all that once the petrol stations have closed.

[RobDickinson]

[redacted]

[xjay1337]

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[xjay1337]

RobDickinson said:

it isnt needed any more. not one single EV driver misses it.

According to you. I'm sure there are also EV owners who have , at times , found their lack of ICE and ability to fuel up anywhere , on long journeys , a pain.

There are pros and cons to each.


Then again, you are basically Elon Musk at this point!!! :-)))

Do you have a halo and a witty attitude in Interviews?

[RobDickinson]

keep breathing the fumes mate its all good, no hard done !

[xjay1337]

RobDickinson said:

keep breathing the fumes mate its all good, no hard done !

It's ok. I offset it by farting into an air purifier.

If your attitude and stance on this is the result of "clean carbon neutral living" then I'm going to move to New Delhi.

[ZesPak]

I've always disliked it.

And my wife gets me to fill up her car because she dislikes it.

There's nothing good about it in my book. Ugly places that smell.

[PHuzzy]

xjay1337 said:

RobDickinson said:

xjay1337 said:

Yesterday as I mentioned I had a very long drive. 417 miles in 7:30 exactly to be precise.
My car has a cruising range of around 400 miles. I drove there, did my work, and filled up on the way back. Which took 5 minutes.
I left at 7:30am, Arrived at site around 11:15 am.
Left site around 2:30pm and arrived home around 6PM.
My total driving time was 7:30 according to my trip computer.

This is actually a very good example of a trip an EV could do easily.

200ish miles each way, sat for over 3 hours doing nothing in the middle.

All you needed to do was plug in at your destination ( 10-20 seconds) and you would easily skip that 5 min fill up and save 1/5th the costs and not pollute.

Oh and about this point.
Because no dedicated car fast chargers are installed at many locations in the UK as per my example I would need to break out the extension cable and 13amp standard socket.

From a Tesla owners site :

"According to tesla.com the "domestic adapter" charges at 2.3-kW. They say that's 6-mph, but they don't say for which vehicle. The math looks about right if it's for the Model S. The Model X would be a bit less, maybe 4-5 mph. Of course those are rated miles and YMMV."

WOW !!!! So 2.5 hours I was on site I'd have gained a whole 15 miles at best.
That will get me home!!!!!!!!

Most destination chargers our customers offer to their staff/visitors (I visit many of our customer warehouses around the UK) will be 7KW posts as a minimum, there's still not that many posts compared to the spaces overall but they've put the infrastructure in place to add more when the need arises.

I think of my 29 customer sites, 21 of them have destination charging now fully functional with between 6-20 posts installed depending on the site size.
Shame my own company is still on the diesel company car bandwagon even though our head office has charging points installed :/

[RobDickinson]

Yep over 3 hours on 11kw destination charger would do near 200 miles of range in a model 3.

[Truffs]

RobDickinson said:

Yep over 3 hours on 11kw destination charger would do near 200 miles of range in a model 3.

Well not quite I see 152-167 miles when I do that on my model 3 which at the speed and how I drive on motorways equates to about 115 miles at this sort of temp.

[Truffs]

jamoor said:

irocfan said:

jamoor said:

You pay for super chargers.

If it’s half the price and you do that weekly imagine the savings.

Also I don’t know what mileage you do but most of my charging is done at home which is half the price of a supercharger so the actual price of the journey may even be a 1/4 of the petrol equivalent.

and how much do you value your time? I can drop 300/400 miles in my tank in 5 minutes - how long does that take you in your EV? I'm happy to save a few hours on a long trip and pay a little more

I drop miles into my tank in 0 minutes as its done at home when its parked for most of my mileage.
On the road your maximum pitstop will be an hour, more typical is 20-30 minutes. I'd prefer to sit in my car for an additional 15 minutes than go anywhere near a petrol station forecourt ever again.

1) Find am empty pump on your side of the car
2) Get cold/wet
3) Deal with someone behind the desk
4) Get fleeced for £70

No thanks.

This every day of the week. I spend 12 quid on super chargers and have work destination charging. I am averaging around 1000 miles a week (not at Christmas!) in my model 3. Time spent at super chargers 30 mins a week. I can live with that!

[xjay1337]

Truffs said:

RobDickinson said:

Yep over 3 hours on 11kw destination charger would do near 200 miles of range in a model 3.

Well not quite I see 152-167 miles when I do that on my model 3 which at the speed and how I drive on motorways equates to about 115 miles at this sort of temp.

Yet Rob still doesn't listen because his Type 2 charger is so far up his butt it must block his ears.

A lot of places do not have a destination "fast" charger.
Fine if you are going to a "destination" such as a shopping center, train station, etc that just so happens to have it installed.

But if you're visiting a friend who lives at 3 Privet Drive....... or in my case the warehouse in the middle of an industrial estate....THIS IS NOT AN OPTION.

Again it goes back to the whole "infrastructure" thing.

https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/findus?bounds=53.87895...

Where you would recommend I go here to destination charge Robert?
Leeds is a big area and yet I'm several miles from the closest one.

[InitialDave]

I think the one change I would make is to mandate a unified contactless card that all public charge points, everywhere, must accept, or they must let people pay with a normal credit card - on the machine directly, not any phone/app nonsense.

It's the insistence on different groups/installations having their own special snowflake card/membership you need to be able to use an otherwise perfectly available charger that was the main hassle I found with destination/route charging.

Dead chargers happened occasionally, but I've been caught out running on fumes and discovering a petrol station is closed, too, so not a unique EV problem. Never failed to find somewhere to charge up.

People blocking charging parking spots with normal cars isn't really a problem with the charging system itself. Unfortunately the nature of needing to wire the chargers into the site supply means they end up relatively close to the building, making them very tempting to lazy bellends. Not much you can do other than properly enforcing fines or towing their cars. Or aralditing their filler caps shut and see how they like not being able to refuel, I suppose.

When the Ecotricity points were free to use, there was a bit of a problem with people in plug-in hybrids hogging them, but the charge they introduced got rid of them fairly effectively.