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xjay1337 said:
Truffs said:
RobDickinson said:
Yep over 3 hours on 11kw destination charger would do near 200 miles of range in a model 3.
Well not quite I see 152-167 miles when I do that on my model 3 which at the speed and how I drive on motorways equates to about 115 miles at this sort of temp. A lot of places do not have a destination "fast" charger.
Fine if you are going to a "destination" such as a shopping center, train station, etc that just so happens to have it installed.
But if you're visiting a friend who lives at 3 Privet Drive....... or in my case the warehouse in the middle of an industrial estate....THIS IS NOT AN OPTION.
Again it goes back to the whole "infrastructure" thing.
https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/findus?bounds=53.87895...
Where you would recommend I go here to destination charge Robert?
Leeds is a big area and yet I'm several miles from the closest one.
I would never stop for a charge below 50kw, personally in the UK I think this is enough to get to you home/where you need to be and I've never really had a problem, but I'm happy to sit in my car for 15-20 mins.
I've read this thread with interest. I can see both sides of the argument.
I accept that for some users, EVs are brilliant; if you very seldom drive a journey where the round trip can't be done within one charge, or if you're guaranteed a destination where you'll stay a while & can charge (e.g. spending a day at an office with a 7kW charge point), then they're spot on. You can do quite a high annual mileage on an EV in small chunks; my father does around 15k a year but that's comprising many days of driving 50-70 miles, rather than the car being parked for days then doing 1000 miles in a weekend.
Being able to park outside the house and charge on the driveway is a game changer; just starting the day on a full battery is great.
Equally, if you only have a slow charger & come back from a long weekend drive on Sunday, even if you can't charge to full, so long as you can put in enough for the commute 'plus a bit' overnight, then by Tuesday or Wednesday you'll be back to a full battery.
However equally, I can see that if you are on a terraced street with no guarantee of even parking on the same street as your house (never mind 'same side of the road', or 'within 10 metres'), the equation might change. If you're just using the car as a runabout then yes, an hour here and there on a charger might be enough, but it would be an added frustration for sure. Plus of course then you've got people for whom the range really isn't adequate; if you're using nearly all the battery on a long drive, parking somewhere with either no or only slow charging, but being there only a few hours before hoping to do another few hundred miles then yeah, that's not ideal.
Ultimately? I suspect that electric cars will get more and more popular; those people who can use them will start to; perhaps a boost given by increasing counts of ICE cars which are banned/tolled for going into cities, or (maybe a good few years from now), petrol stations starting to close down if demand is falling. Just look at how scarce lead-replacement 4 star pumps are nowadays; I can't remember the last one I saw!
It'll be more and more expensive to keep running an ICE car. "Progress?!" some will ask, and.. yeah, in some contexts it'll be a step backward. But if it does mean less pollution, less noise from engines in busy places, etc.
And yes, currently I'm running a Euro V diesel Jag. I've got a driveway & could easily install a charge point. My next car will hopefully be electric, I want one but currently (badum tssh) can't afford one. Soon as I can, I want one.
I accept that for some users, EVs are brilliant; if you very seldom drive a journey where the round trip can't be done within one charge, or if you're guaranteed a destination where you'll stay a while & can charge (e.g. spending a day at an office with a 7kW charge point), then they're spot on. You can do quite a high annual mileage on an EV in small chunks; my father does around 15k a year but that's comprising many days of driving 50-70 miles, rather than the car being parked for days then doing 1000 miles in a weekend.
Being able to park outside the house and charge on the driveway is a game changer; just starting the day on a full battery is great.
Equally, if you only have a slow charger & come back from a long weekend drive on Sunday, even if you can't charge to full, so long as you can put in enough for the commute 'plus a bit' overnight, then by Tuesday or Wednesday you'll be back to a full battery.
However equally, I can see that if you are on a terraced street with no guarantee of even parking on the same street as your house (never mind 'same side of the road', or 'within 10 metres'), the equation might change. If you're just using the car as a runabout then yes, an hour here and there on a charger might be enough, but it would be an added frustration for sure. Plus of course then you've got people for whom the range really isn't adequate; if you're using nearly all the battery on a long drive, parking somewhere with either no or only slow charging, but being there only a few hours before hoping to do another few hundred miles then yeah, that's not ideal.
Ultimately? I suspect that electric cars will get more and more popular; those people who can use them will start to; perhaps a boost given by increasing counts of ICE cars which are banned/tolled for going into cities, or (maybe a good few years from now), petrol stations starting to close down if demand is falling. Just look at how scarce lead-replacement 4 star pumps are nowadays; I can't remember the last one I saw!
It'll be more and more expensive to keep running an ICE car. "Progress?!" some will ask, and.. yeah, in some contexts it'll be a step backward. But if it does mean less pollution, less noise from engines in busy places, etc.
And yes, currently I'm running a Euro V diesel Jag. I've got a driveway & could easily install a charge point. My next car will hopefully be electric, I want one but currently (badum tssh) can't afford one. Soon as I can, I want one.
InitialDave said:
I think the one change I would make is to mandate a unified contactless card that all public charge points, everywhere, must accept, or they must let people pay with a normal credit card - on the machine directly, not any phone/app nonsense.
This!! Maybe give a discount to members/subscribers, but any user should be able to pay with a normal credit or debit card. (Bit like at a petrol station
).RicksAlfas said:
This!!
Maybe give a discount to members/subscribers, but any user should be able to pay with a normal credit or debit card. (Bit like at a petrol station ).
here on the continent it sort of works like this. I have a card and I know I can use every public charger in Belgium, Netherlands and France. It's just a contactless keychain thingy, very convenient.Maybe give a discount to members/subscribers, but any user should be able to pay with a normal credit or debit card. (Bit like at a petrol station
).I've used it like 2 times so far (1 time to test
).interestingly I mentioned an EV to the boss on the basis that:
- she doesn't like filling up every few weeks (I know no-one does!)
- she doesn't like noisy cars
her thoughts were that if it doesn't drive better than the Vauxhall Ampera she tried or the Prius we had on holiday (for one day before giving it back). Interestingly although she likes quiet cars she felt the Ampera was just too quiet, though the lack of noise is something I suspect she would get used to
- she doesn't like filling up every few weeks (I know no-one does!)
- she doesn't like noisy cars
her thoughts were that if it doesn't drive better than the Vauxhall Ampera she tried or the Prius we had on holiday (for one day before giving it back). Interestingly although she likes quiet cars she felt the Ampera was just too quiet, though the lack of noise is something I suspect she would get used to
ZesPak said:
RicksAlfas said:
This!!
Maybe give a discount to members/subscribers, but any user should be able to pay with a normal credit or debit card. (Bit like at a petrol station ).
here on the continent it sort of works like this. I have a card and I know I can use every public charger in Belgium, Netherlands and France. It's just a contactless keychain thingy, very convenient.Maybe give a discount to members/subscribers, but any user should be able to pay with a normal credit or debit card. (Bit like at a petrol station
).I've used it like 2 times so far (1 time to test
).irocfan said:
. Interestingly although she likes quiet cars she felt the Ampera was just too quiet, though the lack of noise is something I suspect she would get used to
The Ampera is quiet, until the Corsa buried inside wakes up and then it's a bit rough. Good cars though, good reliability but let down by dealer network and very, very conservative battery management from GM (only 10.5kWh of 16kWh available, 3.3kW charging).jamoor said:
I drop miles into my tank in 0 minutes as its done at home when its parked for most of my mileage.
On the road your maximum pitstop will be an hour, more typical is 20-30 minutes. I'd prefer to sit in my car for an additional 15 minutes than go anywhere near a petrol station forecourt ever again.
1) Find am empty pump on your side of the car
2) Get cold/wet
3) Deal with someone behind the desk
4) Get fleeced for £70
1) Find a free pump on either side of the car. The hoses reach just fine and unless you are particularly challenged in the arm department then avoiding the pipe touching the bodywork is not rocket science.On the road your maximum pitstop will be an hour, more typical is 20-30 minutes. I'd prefer to sit in my car for an additional 15 minutes than go anywhere near a petrol station forecourt ever again.
1) Find am empty pump on your side of the car
2) Get cold/wet
3) Deal with someone behind the desk
4) Get fleeced for £70
2) You face the same challenges getting out of your EV on a cold and wet day. Wear a coat, and use a petrol station that has a covered forecourt to avoid the rain.
3) Pay at the pump
4) EV's are considerably cheaper to fuel without a doubt, at least at the moment. However I don't put £70 in the tank because my car doesn't fit £70 worth of fuel, more like £40-45 and that gets put in maybe 3 times a month. Not exactly a hardship, and my fuel costs won't even begin to cover the finance payments of something as tedious as a Nissan Leaf, let alone a decent EV.
LimSlip said:
jamoor said:
I drop miles into my tank in 0 minutes as its done at home when its parked for most of my mileage.
On the road your maximum pitstop will be an hour, more typical is 20-30 minutes. I'd prefer to sit in my car for an additional 15 minutes than go anywhere near a petrol station forecourt ever again.
1) Find am empty pump on your side of the car
2) Get cold/wet
3) Deal with someone behind the desk
4) Get fleeced for £70
1) Find a free pump on either side of the car. The hoses reach just fine and unless you are particularly challenged in the arm department then avoiding the pipe touching the bodywork is not rocket science.On the road your maximum pitstop will be an hour, more typical is 20-30 minutes. I'd prefer to sit in my car for an additional 15 minutes than go anywhere near a petrol station forecourt ever again.
1) Find am empty pump on your side of the car
2) Get cold/wet
3) Deal with someone behind the desk
4) Get fleeced for £70
2) You face the same challenges getting out of your EV on a cold and wet day. Wear a coat, and use a petrol station that has a covered forecourt to avoid the rain.
3) Pay at the pump
4) EV's are considerably cheaper to fuel without a doubt, at least at the moment. However I don't put £70 in the tank because my car doesn't fit £70 worth of fuel, more like £40-45 and that gets put in maybe 3 times a month. Not exactly a hardship, and my fuel costs won't even begin to cover the finance payments of something as tedious as a Nissan Leaf, let alone a decent EV.
For the other points, I've used both ICE and electric, so I know which refueling option I prefer, sitting at home while it's refuelling is far more preferable than having to go somewhere once a week to get fleeced.
the one things i absolutely loved about my old phev was being able to have the car warm/cold for when you wanted to get into it. one of the little extras which you really miss when you have to go back to a petrol/diesel. only heavy snow meant i had to do something before driving it off.
tamore said:
the one things i absolutely loved about my old phev was being able to have the car warm/cold for when you wanted to get into it. one of the little extras which you really miss when you have to go back to a petrol/diesel. only heavy snow meant i had to do something before driving it off.
what country do you live in? Just asking.I hope it is Eastern Russia and not East England ... you big snowflake.
Gandahar said:
tamore said:
the one things i absolutely loved about my old phev was being able to have the car warm/cold for when you wanted to get into it. one of the little extras which you really miss when you have to go back to a petrol/diesel. only heavy snow meant i had to do something before driving it off.
what country do you live in? Just asking.I hope it is Eastern Russia and not East England ...
tamore said:
Gandahar said:
tamore said:
the one things i absolutely loved about my old phev was being able to have the car warm/cold for when you wanted to get into it. one of the little extras which you really miss when you have to go back to a petrol/diesel. only heavy snow meant i had to do something before driving it off.
what country do you live in? Just asking.I hope it is Eastern Russia and not East England ...
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