Discussion
Evanivitch said:
xjay1337 said:
Will local substations need to be installed to run say 30 kwhr chargers *still far too slow but I'm trying to be realistic that you don't necessarily need a 100kwhr charger at home, although you should!!!* into 30 spaces in your communal car park.
Firstly, kwhr isn't a thing. It's neither a battery capacity (kWh) or a power (kW). I think you mean the latter. No one utilise a 30kW charger.What would your use case be? In a 50kWh car a 50kW charger would take about 90-120 mins from zero percent to 100%. In a communal carpark that would make little sense because people aren't going to move their car. A 16A post (3kW) at each charging point would provide most people with 30kWh overnight. Perhaps some would need a 7kW (32A) charger because they are high mileage users.
Many would not need to charge for the rest of the week having filled their 50kWh battery after a night on the 7kW charger.
I'm not a charging or electric car expert.
I don't think a 13am plug or even a 16a plug is enough.
You should be able to fully charge your electric car home in 1-2 hours if required.
Not saying that everyone NEEDS that but a lot of people will.
Evanivitch said:
xjay1337 said:
To assume that come 6 PM 80% of cars will all be plugged in at once
Plugged in, but not necessarily charging. Many may choose to delay until a lower rate is available during the night. Others may pay a premium for immediate, all night charging.Who decides who charges when? And at what rate?
Everyone should be able to have the fastest charge rates .
Evanivitch said:
xjay1337 said:
Who will pay for this to be done?
Will it be priced fairly given it's effectively forced on people?
Who knows. I certainly didn't choose to have street lighting, I can only assume the council forced it based on progress and now I have to pay for it...Will it be priced fairly given it's effectively forced on people?
Evanivitch said:
xjay1337 said:
What will be done to ensure t
tty neighbours or stupid kids don't unplug your charger randomly?
Car alarm goes off. Kind of like why don't we all have flat tyres? I guess people realise that opening a tyre valve gets boring after a while when it becomes mutually assured destruction.tty neighbours or stupid kids don't unplug your charger randomly?Evanivitch said:
xjay1337 said:
It's not just as simple as "running a cable to the parking space" like running an extension lead to your jet wash once a fortnight....
It really is. I've spent time near the arctic circle, they have plug socks at the majority of parking spots. We dig up our roads and pavements every few years anyway for pipes for gas, water, electricity and broadband. We're very good at it as a nation. Too good, almost.My road for example has not been dug up in the last 2 years.
Infact no construction has happened on my entire housing estate for that amount of time.
What you are suggesting would be absolute hell and NOT the "future of motoring" in way
Most car parks and streets will end up looking like this?
I don't think we will ever come to a mutual understanding.
I have conceded that EV's have a use, and in time can be better and can fit most people's lifestyles.
However I have raised valid points regarding infrastructure and especially that for people who do not have a driveway or garage, that would cause serious concerns - But these concerns aren't really answered or acknowledged as problems?!
I don't think you understand or can even picture these concerns because you don't feel them of importance - which is a shame - because for a lot of people not fortunate to have their own driveway or garage and who rely on their cars to do large miles to keep food on the table for their family, will be let down heavily I feel.
RobDickinson said:
Most charge ports lock when charging.
Cars spend 95% of the time parked, usually within meters of electricity.
As I said - NO ELECTRICITY AVAILABLE AT THE CURB SIDE THOUGH IS THERE.Cars spend 95% of the time parked, usually within meters of electricity.
Typical sight across the country.
Paving will have to be ripped up, and chargers installed -
That will be fun , won't it?
xjay1337 said:
As I said - NO ELECTRICITY AVAILABLE AT THE CURB SIDE THOUGH IS THERE.
Typical sight across the country.
Paving will have to be ripped up, and chargers installed -
That will be fun , won't it?
We can out a man on the moon, bit lawd how will we put power to a car 1.5m from a domestic residence....Typical sight across the country.
Paving will have to be ripped up, and chargers installed -
That will be fun , won't it?
Evanivitch said:
We can out a man on the moon, bit lawd how will we put power to a car 1.5m from a domestic residence....
Yes, what does that have to do with the price of fish?Right now as a country we can't even pay nurses a decent salary
Or provide shelter for the homeless
Or keep a good amount of police or fire service members on the street.
But we will have the BILLIONS of £ required to rip up and re-pave pretty much every path in most towns in the UK?
xjay1337 said:
But we will have the BILLIONS of £ required to rip up and re-pave pretty much every path in most towns in the UK?
I don't think it's going to be the government paying for it; certainly not Westminster; it'll obviously be "us" that pays for it, but for that sort of installation I think it's more likely to be via private industry than taxation. We're not going to see fast (>7kw) charging at home become the norm. It's just not going to happen. Personally I think that once people get used to EVs, 3kw from a three-pin plug will prove plenty for 90+% of people.
ETA; One thing the politicians wont say but is glaring obvious to my mind is that EVs will never fit every usage profile which realistically means the people who have ill suited usage cycles will have to change how and where they drive. At a broader level I think it's really a given that as a nation we simply need to drive less; probably quite a lot less.
Edited by kambites on Sunday 16th February 19:55
xjay1337 said:
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OK - fair enough
I'm not a charging or electric car expert.
It's GCSE physics, but okay..OK - fair enough
I'm not a charging or electric car expert.
xjay1337 said:
I don't think a 13am plug or even a 16a plug is enough.
You should be able to fully charge your electric car home in 1-2 hours if required.
Not saying that everyone NEEDS that but a lot of people will.
Then they can go to a nearby rapid charger. Most people don't do a 200 mile journey, get home and suddenly do another 200 miles. Some maybe, not most.You should be able to fully charge your electric car home in 1-2 hours if required.
Not saying that everyone NEEDS that but a lot of people will.
xjay1337 said:
But then how are you going to control that?
Who decides who charges when? And at what rate?
Everyone should be able to have the fastest charge rates .
Your car can be set, you can use an app, or a smart charger can control it, and we can do all that today.Who decides who charges when? And at what rate?
Everyone should be able to have the fastest charge rates .
Everyone doesn't need the fastest charging. Like everyone doesn't need 99RON or race fuel.
xjay1337 said:
How many car alarms will wake you up though especially when parked far away (as is the case in communal car parks!)
How many car alarms go off when I let your tyres down? None. So having no security bad thing. Having security, bad thing. You realise your logic is dog chasing tail territory?xjay1337 said:
My road for example has not been dug up in the last 2 years.
Infact no construction has happened on my entire housing estate for that amount of time.
Probably because it was finished 2 years ago...Infact no construction has happened on my entire housing estate for that amount of time.
Evanivitch said:
Everyone doesn't need the fastest charging. Like everyone doesn't need 99RON or race fuel.
Key point for this is that 99 RON doesn't take 1/4th the time to fill your car up!ANyway, as I suspected no actual discussion for the problems, just little comments etc.
We will never come to a position of mutual understanding, despite my conceding of the benefits of EV's.
Oh well.
RobDickinson said:
Uk car average driving distance fell to 7,134 miles in 2018
At 4 mils per kwh thats 1800 kwh per car - 5kwh per day.
Or 500w charging for a 10 hour overnight charge.
DEspite the fact that again at the risk of repeating myself for the 5th time on this topicAt 4 mils per kwh thats 1800 kwh per car - 5kwh per day.
Or 500w charging for a 10 hour overnight charge.
LOTS
OF
PEOPLE
DO
LOTS
OF
MILES
Tomorrow I am driving to Leeds.
417 mile return journey
Which I will enjoy in my 6 cylinder.
Have a good evening . I'm done for now, can't be bothered when people only ever see their own point of view or that of "the average user".
xjay1337 said:
But approx 40% of the population don't have a drive way or direct connected off road parking (ie they park on the road, or in communal flat car park etc) and there has been ZERO provision for how these users will be accomodated in the next 10-15 years.
Zero provisions...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frkw6aurVUY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKaEhBjt1ls
Absolutely no one has looked at this, nowhere, not once, never.
xjay1337 said:
Mikebentley said:
I don’t generally agree with Xjay on much he posts but he does make valid points and concerns
Appreciate that and glad someone else has similar concerns. Years ago when I was about 10 ( I am 52) a friend lived in a house built maybe 5yrs earlier. I used to meet him there en route to school. There was an old looking bloke called Eddie Wrench who’s son we knew and who dressed like a 1950s Spiv. He used to stand in front of my mates house and wave to his family at about 8am every morning as he walked to work. This was despite the fact that they couldn’t see him due to my mates house now being in the way.
What I’m trying to say is we can either do nothing or do something. I’ve elected to just make the best of it and give EVs a go. Worrying about change and the finer points of infrastructure is frankly someone else’s problem. If you don’t believe it will work for you presently don’t embrace the change like Eddie didn’t. This didn’t make him better or worse than the rest of us he just did things his own way and exercised his choice. He could see my mates house in the way but waved anyway.
in 2020, there are people for whom there is no EV which isn't a pain in the arse, not many, but a significant minority who would have to stay in petrol/diesel powered vehicles. by 2030 there is a high likelihood that 99.999% of users' driving patterns will be as simple in an EV as they are in a current petrol/diesel.
the money pouring into development is unstoppable. 500Wh/kg will almost certainly be possible in 3-4 years. tesla currently around 260 for reference.
the money pouring into development is unstoppable. 500Wh/kg will almost certainly be possible in 3-4 years. tesla currently around 260 for reference.
MC Bodge said:
It's interesting that some people appear to be so passionately opposed to EVs.
Not just concerned that technology and infrastructure might not be quite there yet for universal adoption, but actively against the concept.
Odd.
it is odd isnt it?Not just concerned that technology and infrastructure might not be quite there yet for universal adoption, but actively against the concept.
Odd.
Do you want a cleaner, more healthy, more efficient energy independent sustainable future?
(1) Yes
(2) No
Regardless, the stats will do the talking.
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/02/12/top-u-s-elect...
EV will grow, how quick?, anyone's guess.
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/02/12/top-u-s-elect...
EV will grow, how quick?, anyone's guess.
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