Discussion
Sway said:
dapprman said:
monthou said:
14 year olds now. It used to be 16.
And I agree, brilliant little thing.
For a short city commute these would be great.
And drunk drivers - as you do not need a valid licence for these. Apparently in the farming areas this class of vehicle holds it's value well as alcoholism is wide spread and drunk drivers are common.And I agree, brilliant little thing.
For a short city commute these would be great.
Or is it that the pissheads just don't have a license at all?
BogBeast said:
I guess as a concept for an electric town car is OK, shame they made it look like a PoS clown car.
Urban mobility at its best? not looking like that, but maybe something more sensibly styled would good for a by-the-minute rental for the densely populated cities. As long as you could hose it out of course, and find a way to penalise scrotes that joy ride and dump them.
Anywhere outside of London? mobile deathtraps at worst, obstacles at best.
There are 50 other cities in England.Urban mobility at its best? not looking like that, but maybe something more sensibly styled would good for a by-the-minute rental for the densely populated cities. As long as you could hose it out of course, and find a way to penalise scrotes that joy ride and dump them.
Anywhere outside of London? mobile deathtraps at worst, obstacles at best.
tey Aixam I still have in bits in my unit. Toaster Pilot said:
Not sure the speed limiter would necessarily need to stay in the U.K. - It’s a requirement for it to be a VSP, not a quadricycle.
This, there is some local stuff we do that would benefit from a bit higher top end.The Twizy (which is very similar in concept) is available in two versions: 45km/h (like this one) and 80km/h.
Ime it got to 60-70km/h fairly swiftly, which is the sweet spot and allows you to go basically everywhere without motorways.
Anyone else watch the vids and think "little tykes car", sadly living in a street of terraced house and with the nearest charging infrastructure 3 miles away is the issue at the moment. However looking at my mileage for the last week (I'm retired)this make absolute sense to me, it even appears dog slobber friendly too, now off to measure the width of the alley at the back house! This is what I want from an electric vehicle.
Muddle238 said:
Personally I think it looks disgusting, which means it’s absolutely brilliant. Citroen have always gone against the grain, this new Ami is really Citroen at its best; thinking outside the box and not having the slightest interest in conforming to other brands.
I suspect it won’t be popular in the UK, the British are far too obsessed with the dross being shat out of Germany, however I suspect these will be popular in France, other European cities and around the Med.
The Italians may love it. The amount of those little Aixam type things I see over there is an indicator of their appetite although the differential is what's powered it. Whether flat-dwellers have access to charging.I suspect it won’t be popular in the UK, the British are far too obsessed with the dross being shat out of Germany, however I suspect these will be popular in France, other European cities and around the Med.
Agree on the British way though. We're so biased towards German brands, it's unbelievable. However that may well just change if affordability and suitability of their models turns out to be an issue.
I think it's brilliant for what it is.
My wife is in the "wouldn't want to be seen dead in it" camp, while she loves the Twizy.
It's definetly by no angle "pretty" but that's hardly the point. At the numbers mentioned, it could be a no-brainer as a secondary car for some people.
Absolutely love the idea of it and I'd try to fit it in my life even if I have no use for it. The one thing that threw me off though was that it apparently has HALF the power of a Twizy.
For someone who's lived with a Twizy for a week or so, thats mind boggling.
My wife is in the "wouldn't want to be seen dead in it" camp, while she loves the Twizy.
It's definetly by no angle "pretty" but that's hardly the point. At the numbers mentioned, it could be a no-brainer as a secondary car for some people.
Absolutely love the idea of it and I'd try to fit it in my life even if I have no use for it. The one thing that threw me off though was that it apparently has HALF the power of a Twizy.
For someone who's lived with a Twizy for a week or so, thats mind boggling.
Toaster Pilot said:
I definitely think the omission of a type 2 socket is a bit short sighted (as is the cable placement!)
- I think you missed the battery size. This thing can fill up completely in sub 2h on a regular plug. Also, who in their right mind is going to buy this to do 150km/day? I think for the use, a regular plug is fine. HOWEVER, anyone has any idea that works for a public charger? There are some adaptors, right? I think I've seen them on the Twizy owners forum.
- Kerbside cable placement seems bang on the money, should be the other side for UK though but considering how the car is made that should be fairly easy
I didn’t miss the battery size. I don’t mind it charging at 13A but it’s daft that it can’t do so on the type 2 socket I already have at my house, nor at a public charger without an adaptor.
As you say, adaptors do exist but they look a bit shonky. I’ll need to try one for my Aixam Mega City Electric if it ever runs again because it has the same setup
As you say, adaptors do exist but they look a bit shonky. I’ll need to try one for my Aixam Mega City Electric if it ever runs again because it has the same setup
Edited by Toaster Pilot on Thursday 10th December 14:41
It's a good point. The Twizy was built in a different age, where there wasn't that much public charging available and it had no lockable doors to leave on the street anyway.
This however should have public charging sorted, but I can't see how without some sort of adapter? Seems like an oversight.
This however should have public charging sorted, but I can't see how without some sort of adapter? Seems like an oversight.
Ambleton said:
Another market that has occurred to me is the older folk.
Loads of older people out there who can technically still drive and might have a yaris or a KA or something that can hurtle down the motorway at 90mph and kill multiple people at a time. I'm not saying that older drivers are bad, but some deteriorate over time and the family remove all access to personal transport as they don't think its as safe.
For €6k, they can buy one of these and have a degree of freedom back, with the family safe in the knowledge that they're limited on speed and range, but the individual can still go to the shops and people about town. I know you can still do a lot of damage at 28mph, but its much less.
Spot on!Loads of older people out there who can technically still drive and might have a yaris or a KA or something that can hurtle down the motorway at 90mph and kill multiple people at a time. I'm not saying that older drivers are bad, but some deteriorate over time and the family remove all access to personal transport as they don't think its as safe.
For €6k, they can buy one of these and have a degree of freedom back, with the family safe in the knowledge that they're limited on speed and range, but the individual can still go to the shops and people about town. I know you can still do a lot of damage at 28mph, but its much less.
Stick on a bit of the crash avoidance emergency braking kit which must be cheap as chips and it's good to go.
Chatting with a friend about the problem of elderly relatives who continue to drive, we envisaged something like this: cheap; robust; easy to drive; maybe self-docking by the front door (with charger connection). Ultimately it could be pre-programmed with some local routes and be semi-autonomous: Post office, surgery, supermarket, pub, whatever.
I'm interested, more for the local shop hops and the like, where it's a little too far to walk/cycle (esp in current miserable weather), or need to bring a few bits back... where the car is fine, but this would do just as well.
Also if it can be driven by 16 y/o something the kid can start in too.
As such, very much a "3rd" car, just not used for tip runs... but you get the idea.
My biggest problem with it, will be getting it to a Citroen garage for a service... as that involves a DC. Eeek.
Also if it can be driven by 16 y/o something the kid can start in too.
As such, very much a "3rd" car, just not used for tip runs... but you get the idea.
My biggest problem with it, will be getting it to a Citroen garage for a service... as that involves a DC. Eeek.
Have seen similar older relatives. Most of them were self-aware enough to not go on the motorway at one point, but then continue to run a relative "expensive" Ford Fiesta for literally 2000km/year to go to the shop or friends.
Something like this could give them the freedom they are used to, but in an even easier package with even lower running costs.
What I really hope is that it's a hit. And it forces Renault to give the Twizy a much needed update and price drop
.ZesPak said:
It's a good point. The Twizy was built in a different age, where there wasn't that much public charging available and it had no lockable doors to leave on the street anyway.
This however should have public charging sorted, but I can't see how without some sort of adapter? Seems like an oversight.
This is the adaptor that seems to be most commonly talked about by Twizy owners FYI. https://www.symphonyev.co.uk/product/renault-twizy...This however should have public charging sorted, but I can't see how without some sort of adapter? Seems like an oversight.
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