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ZesPak said:
One of the things it does seem to get right is packaging. Something I thought the E tron and EQC amongst others were very disappointing in.
35k EUR for a car with minimal running costs, interior space close to a Passat and 0-100km/h of 7 seconds sounds a lot more compelling than "new Golf replacement for 35k".
Shared vs dedicated platform. Space, weight, performance and efficiency all improved in comparison.35k EUR for a car with minimal running costs, interior space close to a Passat and 0-100km/h of 7 seconds sounds a lot more compelling than "new Golf replacement for 35k".
RobDickinson said:
new battery tech is well under development etc
Not even close. Find new battery tech that works or which will soon work is like finding the Fountain of Youth. Lots of people talk about it, some people allege they have seen it, yet it never can be found (or appears). Housing, cooling, linking, and charging techs have improved over time - batteries - think the most modern we have are still over 30-40 years old.BEVs are an excellent way to get the majority of exhaust emissions down quickly in urban areas but personally I feel we really should be focusing on Hydrogen energy. Hydrogen's abundant!
Current developments in the hydrogen fusion power reactors suggest we're not too far off breaking even (Fusion requires more energy to fuse hydrogen than is released at the moment, but that's only due to technological limitations), and then I think once we've cracked hydrogen fusion as a way of generating electricity, I suspect a lot of car companies will start throwing money into improving hydrogen fuel cell technology.
Once the domestic power industry start to develop a reliable way of generating hydrogen fuel and storing/transporting it, then car companies will very well capitalise on that technology to enable mass adoption of hydrogen fuelled cars.
Current developments in the hydrogen fusion power reactors suggest we're not too far off breaking even (Fusion requires more energy to fuse hydrogen than is released at the moment, but that's only due to technological limitations), and then I think once we've cracked hydrogen fusion as a way of generating electricity, I suspect a lot of car companies will start throwing money into improving hydrogen fuel cell technology.
Once the domestic power industry start to develop a reliable way of generating hydrogen fuel and storing/transporting it, then car companies will very well capitalise on that technology to enable mass adoption of hydrogen fuelled cars.
TheInsanity1234 said:
BEVs are an excellent way to get the majority of exhaust emissions down quickly in urban areas but personally I feel we really should be focusing on Hydrogen energy. Hydrogen's abundant!
Current developments in the hydrogen fusion power reactors suggest we're not too far off breaking even (Fusion requires more energy to fuse hydrogen than is released at the moment, but that's only due to technological limitations), and then I think once we've cracked hydrogen fusion as a way of generating electricity, I suspect a lot of car companies will start throwing money into improving hydrogen fuel cell technology.
Once the domestic power industry start to develop a reliable way of generating hydrogen fuel and storing/transporting it, then car companies will very well capitalise on that technology to enable mass adoption of hydrogen fuelled cars.
For the last 40yrs , Hydrogen has been the fuel of the future .. we're still waiting. As for fusion .. 2nd half of this century at the earliest (if it's even viable financially - hard to see it ever being comparable in price to renewables which are getting cheaper YoY). Current developments in the hydrogen fusion power reactors suggest we're not too far off breaking even (Fusion requires more energy to fuse hydrogen than is released at the moment, but that's only due to technological limitations), and then I think once we've cracked hydrogen fusion as a way of generating electricity, I suspect a lot of car companies will start throwing money into improving hydrogen fuel cell technology.
Once the domestic power industry start to develop a reliable way of generating hydrogen fuel and storing/transporting it, then car companies will very well capitalise on that technology to enable mass adoption of hydrogen fuelled cars.
TheInsanity1234 said:
Once the domestic power industry start to develop a reliable way of generating hydrogen fuel and storing/transporting it, then car companies will very well capitalise on that technology to enable mass adoption of hydrogen fuelled cars.
Not going to happen. That fusion power is much better sent to BEVs directly. Theres going to be some good use of hydrogen as storage and for things like shipping but not cars.The EU fusion power plant is just coming together as a test bed, they are thinking of a prototype useful reactor in 2035 or something , I wouldnt wait.
This is from an article on Hyundai, who went pretty large on FCEVs
"However the technology has not taken off; 7,707 hydrogen fuel cell cars were sold globally last year, compared with 1.68 million battery EVs, according to LMC Automotive. "
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-09...
ash73 said:
BUT I wish you could buy the base model with a small battery & less weight, and rent an extra battery pack that plugs into a connector in the boot when you need more range for occasional long trips. Seems such an obvious solution.
Was a concept car (fiat or someone?) last year or something that had a 5 module pack and came with only 2 you can rent the others for longer trips. Sounds a good concept but not sure it'll workHydrogen is a non starter because it's so catastrophically inefficient. The power losses involved are dreadful.
Fusion is likely to happen sooner than you think, but it won't come from big stuff like ITER. There are dozens of private companies and universities working on "compact fusion" with a few approaches looking like they'll yield energy gain inside the next 3-4 years. AI and ML have been a huge boost in this area of research.
Fusion is likely to happen sooner than you think, but it won't come from big stuff like ITER. There are dozens of private companies and universities working on "compact fusion" with a few approaches looking like they'll yield energy gain inside the next 3-4 years. AI and ML have been a huge boost in this area of research.
ash73 said:
I quite like the ID3, not too wacky like the BMW i3 or Honda, just a sleek modern design with a sensible interior. VW turned heads with the XL1, and this might actually sell.
BUT I wish you could buy the base model with a small battery & less weight, and rent an extra battery pack that plugs into a connector in the boot when you need more range for occasional long trips. Seems such an obvious solution.
Nice idea but a packaged battery module would be likely 150 - 200Wh/kg, so a useful addition say10kWh would be 50 - 67Kg, so not an easy job to lift it into the boot, and what do you do with it most of the time you don't need it?BUT I wish you could buy the base model with a small battery & less weight, and rent an extra battery pack that plugs into a connector in the boot when you need more range for occasional long trips. Seems such an obvious solution.
ash73 said:
granada203028 said:
ash73 said:
I quite like the ID3, not too wacky like the BMW i3 or Honda, just a sleek modern design with a sensible interior. VW turned heads with the XL1, and this might actually sell.
BUT I wish you could buy the base model with a small battery & less weight, and rent an extra battery pack that plugs into a connector in the boot when you need more range for occasional long trips. Seems such an obvious solution.
Nice idea but a packaged battery module would be likely 150 - 200Wh/kg, so a useful addition say10kWh would be 50 - 67Kg, so not an easy job to lift it into the boot, and what do you do with it most of the time you don't need it?BUT I wish you could buy the base model with a small battery & less weight, and rent an extra battery pack that plugs into a connector in the boot when you need more range for occasional long trips. Seems such an obvious solution.
ash73 said:
ID3 max charge rate is 50kW... and you'd have to plan your route, and stop every 90 mins to recharge, and half of them will be out of service and there's probably 1 rapid charger with a queue of 4-5 cars, etc...
I didn't know that, I was pointing out that the replaceable battery is a silly idea. Just have it charge a bit faster when needed, the solution is there. kambites said:
There seems to be an official UK price for the 1st edition now: £35,880 after the grant. Or £514 a month 6+48 for 15k miles.
That’s about what I was expecting when I pulled my pre-order last year. It’s £5k more than I was prepared to pay for that battery (don’t care about the “extras” on the FE).
Would pay that for a 77kWh battery version without pointless stuff like HUD and ambient lighting, etc.
It’s completely out of sync with the original position of “same price as equivalent spec diesel golf” - that was a premise I could buy into.
kambites said:
There seems to be an official UK price for the 1st edition now: £35,880 after the grant. Or £514 a month 6+48 for 15k miles.
£567 a month or nearly £28k over 4 years? That's more expensive than a £47k Model 3 LR on the same terms.
Ridiculous pricing on the ID3 if that is correct. Residual value of < £10k on a 4 year old 60k car, pull the other one.
Edited by SWoll on Thursday 30th July 10:16
SWoll said:
£567 a month or nearly £28k over 4 years? That's more expensive than a £47k Model 3 LR on the same terms.
Surely that "monthly payment" doesn't include the deposit so it's around £50 a month cheaper than the LR? Either way the non-1st models need to be considerably cheaper.
kambites said:
SWoll said:
£567 a month or nearly £28k over 4 years? That's more expensive than a £47k Model 3 LR on the same terms.
Surely that "monthly payment" doesn't include the deposit so it's around £50 a month cheaper than the LR? JonChalk said:
That’s about what I was expecting when I pulled my pre-order last year.
It’s £5k more than I was prepared to pay for that battery (don’t care about the “extras” on the FE).
Would pay that for a 77kWh battery version without pointless stuff like HUD and ambient lighting, etc.
It’s completely out of sync with the original position of “same price as equivalent spec diesel golf” - that was a premise I could buy into.
Trouble is all the cost is in the battery, HUD, ambient lighting, fancy interiors is just bundled to try and justify the price but costs relatively little. It’s £5k more than I was prepared to pay for that battery (don’t care about the “extras” on the FE).
Would pay that for a 77kWh battery version without pointless stuff like HUD and ambient lighting, etc.
It’s completely out of sync with the original position of “same price as equivalent spec diesel golf” - that was a premise I could buy into.
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