More ID.3 details
Discussion
We cancelled our place in the queue this week and took the deposit back.
Partly ‘cos our Kona is sitting doing little for perhaps much of this year: 11k miles now, we will hold on another year or so....and actually SWMBO *loves* it and might keep if for many years...
Partly ‘cos I realised I wanted the larger battery, and expected the First Edition to be loaded with features....& was therefore setting myself up for disappointment after such a great first year with the amazing Kona!
& partly ‘cos deep down, I just don’t trust VW to make a good fist of the s/w at this first attempt.
I wish those who go with it well: the industry needs the likes of VW to do well (& hey, I’d love an e-microbus one day!)
On reflection, I do wonder whether I need to up my aim for a Tesla Model Y to replace my XC60 in a year or two....the Tesla charging infrastructure is the only one I would really trust for proper long runs, at least for the foreseeable near future. I reckon the size could also enable us to cruise to the Alps (when travel is back on the cards!) for our annual efforts at skiing!
Crikey....maybe we would be fully EV
Partly ‘cos our Kona is sitting doing little for perhaps much of this year: 11k miles now, we will hold on another year or so....and actually SWMBO *loves* it and might keep if for many years...
Partly ‘cos I realised I wanted the larger battery, and expected the First Edition to be loaded with features....& was therefore setting myself up for disappointment after such a great first year with the amazing Kona!
& partly ‘cos deep down, I just don’t trust VW to make a good fist of the s/w at this first attempt.
I wish those who go with it well: the industry needs the likes of VW to do well (& hey, I’d love an e-microbus one day!)
On reflection, I do wonder whether I need to up my aim for a Tesla Model Y to replace my XC60 in a year or two....the Tesla charging infrastructure is the only one I would really trust for proper long runs, at least for the foreseeable near future. I reckon the size could also enable us to cruise to the Alps (when travel is back on the cards!) for our annual efforts at skiing!
Crikey....maybe we would be fully EV
mikeiow said:
Partly ‘cos I realised I wanted the larger battery, and expected the First Edition to be loaded with features....
..main reason I cancelled mine months ago - wanted the 77kWh battery, as soon as they confirmed the UK wouldn't get the FE version with it, I was out, plus pricing really not working for the UK with the exchange rate.Have committed to another 2 years of 3 litre V6 petrol fun in the S5 now.
mikeiow said:
Partly ‘cos I realised I wanted the larger battery, and expected the First Edition to be loaded with features....& was therefore setting myself up for disappointment after such a great first year with the amazing Kona!
Interesting, were you not put off by the first edition Kona being gimped then? No app, small 4:3 screen, no road sign detection, no connected services...aestetix1 said:
mikeiow said:
Partly ‘cos I realised I wanted the larger battery, and expected the First Edition to be loaded with features....& was therefore setting myself up for disappointment after such a great first year with the amazing Kona!
Interesting, were you not put off by the first edition Kona being gimped then? No app, small 4:3 screen, no road sign detection, no connected services...Disabled, feeble, lame?
Absolutely not!
I *have* road sign detection....early orders did get that sorted at no cost, and it is a cost option for others....not sure if it is included on the latest model FOC.
The screen doesn’t feel small - remember the Kona has buttons too, & actually I prefer the combination of screen and buttons versus the Tesla “all screen” approach. Most drivers are very used to turning a knob to lower the temperature, etc.
The connected services was certainly a minus point....but now we have our Zappi-2 chargepoint, we get the ability to boost charging during cheap energy, and that works great for us. I believe the latest 2020 version addresses that.
In the cooler weather, we also have it set to warm the cabin to 21 degrees before the normal departure time: again, perhaps not as flexible or easy as a connected app, but works just fine.
More broadly.....this has been our first EV, and has been a revelation.
Plenty of industry commentators called the Kona EV (& it’s ugly twin, the Kia eNiro!) “a game changer”.
Those are strong words, but I think after the groundwork done by Tesla (who still have a massive lead with their design, integration and above all, charging infrastructure!), Hyundai really did break new ground.
The sheer range is brilliant alone: it tops efficiency charts for EV (many others are woeful on this front!). 11k miles in, we haven’t needed to use a public chargepoint once. We have, half a dozen times, but really just to try and get a bit familiar with it!
The performance, whilst clearly not Tesla-esque, is like the best hot hatch I’ve had (admittedly that harks back to my boy racer the 80’s
)In short: no, brilliant car!
In contrast, I’d say the iD.3 1st edition is rather lacking and flawed.
Gimped perhaps
mikeiow said:
Gimped? Odd expresssion!
Disabled, feeble, lame?
Absolutely not!
I *have* road sign detection....early orders did get that sorted at no cost, and it is a cost option for others....not sure if it is included on the latest model FOC.
The screen doesn’t feel small - remember the Kona has buttons too, & actually I prefer the combination of screen and buttons versus the Tesla “all screen” approach. Most drivers are very used to turning a knob to lower the temperature, etc.
The connected services was certainly a minus point....but now we have our Zappi-2 chargepoint, we get the ability to boost charging during cheap energy, and that works great for us. I believe the latest 2020 version addresses that.
In the cooler weather, we also have it set to warm the cabin to 21 degrees before the normal departure time: again, perhaps not as flexible or easy as a connected app, but works just fine.
More broadly.....this has been our first EV, and has been a revelation.
Plenty of industry commentators called the Kona EV (& it’s ugly twin, the Kia eNiro!) “a game changer”.
Those are strong words, but I think after the groundwork done by Tesla (who still have a massive lead with their design, integration and above all, charging infrastructure!), Hyundai really did break new ground.
The sheer range is brilliant alone: it tops efficiency charts for EV (many others are woeful on this front!). 11k miles in, we haven’t needed to use a public chargepoint once. We have, half a dozen times, but really just to try and get a bit familiar with it!
The performance, whilst clearly not Tesla-esque, is like the best hot hatch I’ve had (admittedly that harks back to my boy racer the 80’s)
In short: no, brilliant car!
In contrast, I’d say the iD.3 1st edition is rather lacking and flawed.
Gimped perhaps
I had an e-Niro on order, actually arrived at the dealer but I cancelled because the offer was crap and the spec was way below what they showed off in Korea which took the shine off.Disabled, feeble, lame?
Absolutely not!
I *have* road sign detection....early orders did get that sorted at no cost, and it is a cost option for others....not sure if it is included on the latest model FOC.
The screen doesn’t feel small - remember the Kona has buttons too, & actually I prefer the combination of screen and buttons versus the Tesla “all screen” approach. Most drivers are very used to turning a knob to lower the temperature, etc.
The connected services was certainly a minus point....but now we have our Zappi-2 chargepoint, we get the ability to boost charging during cheap energy, and that works great for us. I believe the latest 2020 version addresses that.
In the cooler weather, we also have it set to warm the cabin to 21 degrees before the normal departure time: again, perhaps not as flexible or easy as a connected app, but works just fine.
More broadly.....this has been our first EV, and has been a revelation.
Plenty of industry commentators called the Kona EV (& it’s ugly twin, the Kia eNiro!) “a game changer”.
Those are strong words, but I think after the groundwork done by Tesla (who still have a massive lead with their design, integration and above all, charging infrastructure!), Hyundai really did break new ground.
The sheer range is brilliant alone: it tops efficiency charts for EV (many others are woeful on this front!). 11k miles in, we haven’t needed to use a public chargepoint once. We have, half a dozen times, but really just to try and get a bit familiar with it!
The performance, whilst clearly not Tesla-esque, is like the best hot hatch I’ve had (admittedly that harks back to my boy racer the 80’s
)In short: no, brilliant car!
In contrast, I’d say the iD.3 1st edition is rather lacking and flawed.
Gimped perhaps
I couldn't live without the connected services and app, essential for monitoring charging. Maybe less of an issue with a battery that size I guess but I was still worried about it, wouldn't want to go off for a meal and come back to find that the charger cut out five minutes after you left. I used to use it a lot with the Leaf when using slow 10A charging too to check when I had enough energy to get home.
I actually preferred the interior of the e-Niro but the outside of the Kona is better. The Niro looks a bit boring and conservative... Oh and they downgraded the interior too when they brought it over from Korea. No ventilated seats either.
Haven't really looked at the ID.3. I think the lesson here though is don't show off a top spec version of your car in one country and then offer the UK a Brit-spec one with half the desirable features missing.
1st Edition - £36k after subsidy
Link to the pdf.
https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/files/live/sites/vwuk...
Link to the pdf.
https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/files/live/sites/vwuk...
gangzoom said:
^58kWh pack, nearly, £39k pre grant price, isn't a Nissan Leaf/Zoe a better 'affordable' EV?? And they are available to buy/own right now.
Looks like another damp squid on the new EV front. What happened to the 'same price as a TDI' promise?
The Zoe is tiny so that's not a sensible comparison. The Leaf+ is, what, £33k after grant? Given that the Leaf is frankly pretty rubbish, I think in terms of pure list price that makes the VW look very good value at only £3k more; the problem is, no-one pays anywhere near the list price for a Leaf. Perhaps a more enlightening list-price comparison is with the eNiro which people very much DO pay full list price for, has a longer range, is well specced and is also £33k after grant.Looks like another damp squid on the new EV front. What happened to the 'same price as a TDI' promise?
As for "the same price as a TDi", I think that always had to be taken with a pinch of salt, but hopefully the entry point ot the range will come closer to achieving that. It's not going to be anywhere near the £25k entry point to the diesel mk8 Golf range, but you don't have to add many options (some of which are standard on even the entry level ID3) to get that Golf up closer to £30k which I suspect is what VW were getting at.
Will £30k be cheap enough? It'll be the lease and HP deals which really count; around 90% of new cars "bought" in the UK are never actually fully owned by their first registered keeper.
Edited by kambites on Thursday 23 July 07:22
It's hard to know what's best. I don't think VW will produce so many and then make them unaffordable. I have an E-Golf with just over 4k miles. It's super solid and has many extras but I find the lack of range really frustrating. Where I live the public charge points are in a very poor state and many of them don't work. A £35k pound well equipped 200 mile+ ID3 would be fine but increasingly I am looking at an ID4 in the future.
Oh dear. More than the golf (gti) pricing level they promised then.
Surely you would just go for the model 3 to benefit from the 'mature' tech and good charging network.
I think this shows why Teslas share price puts it where it is. It absolutely amazing what Tesla has achieved, for someone like VW to still be years behind them.
Surely you would just go for the model 3 to benefit from the 'mature' tech and good charging network.
I think this shows why Teslas share price puts it where it is. It absolutely amazing what Tesla has achieved, for someone like VW to still be years behind them.
covmutley said:
Surely you would just go for the model 3 to benefit from the 'mature' tech and good charging network.
Depends on your requirements I guess. For me, the Model-3 is a non-starter because it's a saloon so I'd be comaring the ID3 to the Model-Y, which is quite a bit more expensive. I the ID3 starts at £30k (which seems likely) and the Model-Y at £45k that really puts them in completely different markets. The very top end of the ID3 range may compete with the bottom of Tesla's but the overlap isn't really very great.
Edited by kambites on Thursday 23 July 12:23
- Extremely* thorough review here:
Seems to say that it drives extremely well, but the interior's cheap and the software and controls have all the same problems as the Golf 8 platform.
dxg said:
*Extremely* thorough review here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZxAeMBtoSg&t=...
Seems to say that it drives extremely well, but the interior's cheap and the software and controls have all the same problems as the Golf 8 platform.
Just watched this thanks and a balanced review. At no point did the commentator say there were problems with the software- he said it was not intuitive as found on Polestar and Tesla. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZxAeMBtoSg&t=...
Seems to say that it drives extremely well, but the interior's cheap and the software and controls have all the same problems as the Golf 8 platform.
coetzeeh said:
dxg said:
*Extremely* thorough review here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZxAeMBtoSg&t=...
Seems to say that it drives extremely well, but the interior's cheap and the software and controls have all the same problems as the Golf 8 platform.
Just watched this thanks and a balanced review. At no point did the commentator say there were problems with the software- he said it was not intuitive as found on Polestar and Tesla. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZxAeMBtoSg&t=...
Seems to say that it drives extremely well, but the interior's cheap and the software and controls have all the same problems as the Golf 8 platform.
Baldchap said:
Having owned a Golf R and a MXP100D side-by-side, I can confirm that VW's lane assist and adaptive cruise are significantly better than Tesla's versions on UK roads. It's fair to assume the same or better will go into the ID range.
Completely opposite experience for me, I drove a Passat and a Model S across Europe and the Passat felt like ancient technology, very "jerky", drifting from line to line and phantom braking. The Model S was a lot more smooth.The difference, and I think they can have this in the ID.3 now is that the Passat is what it is as you buy it, while the Model S got better with updates.
gangzoom said:
^58kWh pack, nearly, £39k pre grant price, isn't a Nissan Leaf/Zoe a better 'affordable' EV?? And they are available to buy/own right now.
Looks like another damp squid on the new EV front. What happened to the 'same price as a TDI' promise?
I though the industry had batteries down to $100 a kWh now? So the 77kWh should be barely £2K more.Looks like another damp squid on the new EV front. What happened to the 'same price as a TDI' promise?
dxg said:
*Extremely* thorough review here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZxAeMBtoSg&t=...
Seems to say that it drives extremely well, but the interior's cheap and the software and controls have all the same problems as the Golf 8 platform.
the golf 8 interior seems so much betterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZxAeMBtoSg&t=...
Seems to say that it drives extremely well, but the interior's cheap and the software and controls have all the same problems as the Golf 8 platform.
The MEB platform looks a good one for hardware, should be some great cars coming, not convinced of the ID3 exterior but its ok. They can fix the software eventually, not keen on those hardware sliders dont look like they help at all
Edited by RobDickinson on Sunday 26th July 03:31
granada203028 said:
I though the industry had batteries down to $100 a kWh now? So the 77kWh should be barely £2K more.
Tesla wants £6K to go from 55kWh to 75kWh, Porsche charges £4K to go from 80kWh to 90kWh. Audi wants £10K for 25kWh to go from the eTron 50 to eTron 55. Good luck getting 20kWh extra fro £2k from anyone.
Edited by gangzoom on Sunday 26th July 09:18
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