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ZesPak said:
What insurance group does an i3 or Tesla Model 3 slot in?
I3 starts at 28, it's a carbon tub so any accident over a slight bump is a write off.Model 3 is 50! But low volume niche car, with beta autonomous driving tech, maybe not surprising.
Insurers hate one thing more than young drivers: the unknown. Id3 will go down
dmsims said:
coetzeeh said:
did you start drinking early? 
Don't be a prickthis the original statement
paralla said:
A 150bhp Golf has similar performance to a 200bhp ID3 and is significantly cheaper to insure.
which is wrongparalla said:
A 150bhp golf is significantly cheaper to insure than a 200bhp ID3 while offering similar performance to the ID3
You'd have to murder the Golf to get it's 8.5 seconds.The ID3 will do 7.5 all the time without complaining.
You really should drive an EV to appreciate the effortlessness of the performance of an electric drivetrain.
Even discounting that the ID3 IS faster, it'll FEEL a lot faster all of the time.
That said, as others have pointed out, it's probably not performance adding to that insurance group.
l354uge said:
Model 3 is 50! But low volume niche car, with beta autonomous driving tech, maybe not surprising.
Funny you mention that, I got quite the discount on my insurance if I selected the autopilot option on the Tesla.ZesPak said:
Smiljan said:
Means the insurance cost is nothing to do with performance. Maybe parts costs and repair times are very high.
Could it be that it's just an unknown to them? They don't know the true cost so they set it that high to be safe? Maybe adjust it later?Not sure.
What insurance group does an i3 or Tesla Model 3 slot in?
Were you leading the witness
As an ID3 owner my take on the performance FWIW is:
For the ID3 off the mark and low speed acceleration is good, not great, but OK, as the speed rises the performance tails off quite noticeablly, as the effect of the torque not rising with engine speed as per the IC engine and the single gear ratio kick in. It's the opposite of an IC engine where a good thrash through the gears gives an increased performance. I would think that on a decent stretch of road a 150bhp IC engined golf would be more than a match for the 200bhp ID3 if the golf (mums obvs) was being peddled by a hormone riddled teenager on heat.
The rest of us would stick to the calm serene delivery of the ID3 uninterrupted by gear changes and the like.
For the ID3 off the mark and low speed acceleration is good, not great, but OK, as the speed rises the performance tails off quite noticeablly, as the effect of the torque not rising with engine speed as per the IC engine and the single gear ratio kick in. It's the opposite of an IC engine where a good thrash through the gears gives an increased performance. I would think that on a decent stretch of road a 150bhp IC engined golf would be more than a match for the 200bhp ID3 if the golf (mums obvs) was being peddled by a hormone riddled teenager on heat.
The rest of us would stick to the calm serene delivery of the ID3 uninterrupted by gear changes and the like.
jjwilde said:
l354uge said:
Model 3 is 50! But low volume niche car, with beta autonomous driving tech, maybe not surprising.
Niche car... the Model3 was the best selling car in the UK last month.The fiesta alone sells as much as tesla did last year, and that was a comparably bad year for the fiesta.
EVs are getting there, but still a small market share. So niche. Tesla even more so, being the EV market leader (for now, id3 took 3 months to outsell model 3 entire year)
ID3 was the second best selling car in Europe in December.
Tesla Model 3 in third place.
https://insideevs.com/news/482435/europe-vw-id3-se...
Tesla Model 3 in third place.
https://insideevs.com/news/482435/europe-vw-id3-se...
coetzeeh said:
ID3 was the second best selling car in Europe in December.
Tesla Model 3 in third place.
https://insideevs.com/news/482435/europe-vw-id3-se...
It's certainly eye-opening, but I think it's also slightly misleading in terms of analysing the demand for EVs vs ICE. The Model-3 is near the top because it's one of relatively few cars with no reliance on dealership networks (many of which are closed) for sales, and the ID3 was fulfilling a lot of pent up demand from pre-orders. When the ID3's pre-order backlog is cleared and everything is open again, I think we'll see both fall out of the top ten. Tesla Model 3 in third place.
https://insideevs.com/news/482435/europe-vw-id3-se...
It's still a hell of a step from even a year ago, but I think we have some way to go before demand for EVs genuinely out-strips demand for the most popular ICE vehicles.
The numbers in Norway are mind boggling in that aspect... the majority of cars sold... incredible really.Ive had a Tesla M3 performance minus for 18 months now. 2 year lease at £545 (cant remember what the initial was but 6 i think)
started off loving it and the maths was undeniable. I particularly love its stealthiness vs performance and I like fast 4wd road cars
But as the novelty of hooning it wore off, I started to think i'd replace it with another EV, but a cheaper one, and preferably one made a bit better and with a hatchback (my main Tesla niggles)
So an ID3 seemed perfect. I felt the Style was my pick. The lease deals quoted a few pages earlier are all for stock cars with steel wheels etc so I ended up at about £340 a month for a 2yr lease in my choice of colour with 18 inch alloys and not much else. Nice saving vs the Tesla and at the end of the day its just a family car and I have other toys.
However, I dont have charging at home and I dont do loads of motorway where the supercharger network is clearly a huge advantage. I do a lot of urban driving and in the last few months the number of times my intended public charger has been occupied, has gone up dramatically. To the point where its annoyed or inconvenienced me a bit.
At the same time I found I could also lease a Golf R for the exact same money.
Same manufacturer, both brand new models, same size. Roadtax irrelevant as thats in the lease. Fuel savings, sure but not huge on 6k miles a year. Congestion charge and other London specific savings still apply.
But a 320bhp, 4wd superhatch or an ID3 ???
Back to ICE for me for 2 years.
started off loving it and the maths was undeniable. I particularly love its stealthiness vs performance and I like fast 4wd road cars
But as the novelty of hooning it wore off, I started to think i'd replace it with another EV, but a cheaper one, and preferably one made a bit better and with a hatchback (my main Tesla niggles)
So an ID3 seemed perfect. I felt the Style was my pick. The lease deals quoted a few pages earlier are all for stock cars with steel wheels etc so I ended up at about £340 a month for a 2yr lease in my choice of colour with 18 inch alloys and not much else. Nice saving vs the Tesla and at the end of the day its just a family car and I have other toys.
However, I dont have charging at home and I dont do loads of motorway where the supercharger network is clearly a huge advantage. I do a lot of urban driving and in the last few months the number of times my intended public charger has been occupied, has gone up dramatically. To the point where its annoyed or inconvenienced me a bit.
At the same time I found I could also lease a Golf R for the exact same money.
Same manufacturer, both brand new models, same size. Roadtax irrelevant as thats in the lease. Fuel savings, sure but not huge on 6k miles a year. Congestion charge and other London specific savings still apply.
But a 320bhp, 4wd superhatch or an ID3 ???
Back to ICE for me for 2 years.
Washed Mrs BigM's today for the first time. Awful car to wash! First of all its massive, then there are loads of weird concave shapes that are easy to miss with a mitt, even the wheel arch lips are concave. The front bumper is a pain as it has a load of little recesses moulded into it, these trap muck and are impossible to wipe out. The tailgate is a massive muck trap as well, have to open the back clean it out first then close the back and wash as normal. Only bright side is the wheels which are a doddle.
Anybody doing software mods for these yet? I really want to turn the lane assist off and leave it off permanently. Living on the Isle of Man all the roads are narrow and quite badly surfaced. the lane assist has a bloody fit even before you have got to the end of our road. The steering wheel vibrates more than a rampant rabbit in a nunnery.
What is with the only charge it up to 80% b
ks? I don't drive into a petrol station and put 4/5ths of a tank in every time. Rest assured its 100% or nothing in this house. Should 80% be a real thing then VW need to only claim the range at 80% not 100%. Not sure that I have seen that before on any other electric car that I have used.
The touch screen is genuinely terrible, I know its not unique to the ID3 but dear god its dreadful, how VW spunked billions of Euros of development money and came up with that I have no idea. Slow, unreliable, illogical in the extreme, riddled with bugs, very frustrating to use and downright dangerous out on the road.
Quite a nice truck to drive despite all the electronic flaws.
Anybody doing software mods for these yet? I really want to turn the lane assist off and leave it off permanently. Living on the Isle of Man all the roads are narrow and quite badly surfaced. the lane assist has a bloody fit even before you have got to the end of our road. The steering wheel vibrates more than a rampant rabbit in a nunnery.
What is with the only charge it up to 80% b
ks? I don't drive into a petrol station and put 4/5ths of a tank in every time. Rest assured its 100% or nothing in this house. Should 80% be a real thing then VW need to only claim the range at 80% not 100%. Not sure that I have seen that before on any other electric car that I have used.The touch screen is genuinely terrible, I know its not unique to the ID3 but dear god its dreadful, how VW spunked billions of Euros of development money and came up with that I have no idea. Slow, unreliable, illogical in the extreme, riddled with bugs, very frustrating to use and downright dangerous out on the road.
Quite a nice truck to drive despite all the electronic flaws.
80% is probably best used to set a limit for rapid charging, after that it’s not charging as fast and you’re generally better heading off than waiting for the last few %
I know some people don’t like to charge to 100% because they think it wears the battery out, but given the ID.3 has about 10% larger battery than is actually available so I’d argue it’s not worth worrying about
I know some people don’t like to charge to 100% because they think it wears the battery out, but given the ID.3 has about 10% larger battery than is actually available so I’d argue it’s not worth worrying about
Pretty standard for any battery to only charge to 80% when you don't need 100% of the capacity. When doing longer journeys then sure, go to 100%.
By the way if you do that with your phone the battery will last much longer.
The interesting thing with cars is that a lot of people lease them so there is no reason for them to preserve the battery. By the time it makes any difference they will have handed the car back and be in something else.
By the way if you do that with your phone the battery will last much longer.
The interesting thing with cars is that a lot of people lease them so there is no reason for them to preserve the battery. By the time it makes any difference they will have handed the car back and be in something else.
bigmowley said:
The touch screen is genuinely terrible, I know its not unique to the ID3 but dear god its dreadful, how VW spunked billions of Euros of development money and came up with that I have no idea. Slow, unreliable, illogical in the extreme, riddled with bugs, very frustrating to use and downright dangerous out on the road.
What build are you on?It's worth updating to 2.0
https://www.captiongenerator.com/2123407/Hitler-Re...
Edited by dmsims on Sunday 31st January 17:57
dmsims said:
bigmowley said:
The touch screen is genuinely terrible, I know its not unique to the ID3 but dear god its dreadful, how VW spunked billions of Euros of development money and came up with that I have no idea. Slow, unreliable, illogical in the extreme, riddled with bugs, very frustrating to use and downright dangerous out on the road.
What build are you on?It's worth updating to 2.0
https://www.captiongenerator.com/2123407/Hitler-Re...
It’s on the early software I think, it says 0564 on the system info screen.
I was going to wait as long as possible, hopefully until the 2.1 release and then hassle the dealer to get it all done at once. We have not yet had any serious glitches, just the normal crap, the latest one was “cannot calculate total distance”. That will all change if we start to get lots of spurious warning messages. Ticking timebomb?
Edited by dmsims on Sunday 31st January 17:57
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