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JEA1K said:
Well I experienced the red tortoise this morning. 6% battery after being left overnight and the motor would only give enough power to maneuver the car. The two charging points in my town were in use from 4pm yesterday, owners leaving their cars overnight until this morning. 
Managed to crawl (and I do mean crawl) at 3mph across town, then get 41 miles in it to head to work 26 miles ... had to take a detour so ended up getting to work on 6% again, luckily only the orange tortoise came up which reduces power but not to walking pace.
I bet you set back EV relations in your town by a decade Managed to crawl (and I do mean crawl) at 3mph across town, then get 41 miles in it to head to work 26 miles ... had to take a detour so ended up getting to work on 6% again, luckily only the orange tortoise came up which reduces power but not to walking pace.
JonChalk said:
ecksjay said:
Have an ID3 on the way, should be here in a few weeks. Apparently it's on the way from the compound to dealer to have the software update, so that explains all the chat on here about software etc.
Seems to be conflicting info on them, although from what i can tell, most people that have one have good things to say. The 'negatives' generally seem to be from people who haven't driven or owned one, comparing them to ICE vehicles that are so vastly different that it's not really a fair comparison to either machine.
This will be my first EV and actually, the first EV i will have driven. Have been out in a few teslas but never driven one myself. It's through the limited company so just taking advantage of BIK etc. Missed out on the good deals from a few months back, but im happy with it as its the spec I wanted (ice white, business pro performance model etc). It's likely going to be doing general family duties as i have an amarok on the business as my boat for bowling around in, so it'll be an interesting comparison to a 258bhp v6 pickup with oversized chonky offroad tyres and massive wheels. No doubt the misses will use it most.
Interesting and happy to see now everyone has home charger installs. I'll likely just be using the 3pin slow charger as 15hrs+ charge time isn't really an issue for us. I have access to some high speed chargers in a local business park that is within walking distance, so once i have the cards sorted for the various charging services, i'll likely drop it round there once every few weeks for a full charge (or more often if needs be). If i feel the need for a more powerful home charger install then i'll get one of those sorted - any excuse for another tax write off....
Had mine since the beginning of the year - has been faultless - it's not perfect, no car is - but it is very good at its job; getting around cheaply and comfortably .Seems to be conflicting info on them, although from what i can tell, most people that have one have good things to say. The 'negatives' generally seem to be from people who haven't driven or owned one, comparing them to ICE vehicles that are so vastly different that it's not really a fair comparison to either machine.
This will be my first EV and actually, the first EV i will have driven. Have been out in a few teslas but never driven one myself. It's through the limited company so just taking advantage of BIK etc. Missed out on the good deals from a few months back, but im happy with it as its the spec I wanted (ice white, business pro performance model etc). It's likely going to be doing general family duties as i have an amarok on the business as my boat for bowling around in, so it'll be an interesting comparison to a 258bhp v6 pickup with oversized chonky offroad tyres and massive wheels. No doubt the misses will use it most.
Interesting and happy to see now everyone has home charger installs. I'll likely just be using the 3pin slow charger as 15hrs+ charge time isn't really an issue for us. I have access to some high speed chargers in a local business park that is within walking distance, so once i have the cards sorted for the various charging services, i'll likely drop it round there once every few weeks for a full charge (or more often if needs be). If i feel the need for a more powerful home charger install then i'll get one of those sorted - any excuse for another tax write off....
There are some software update horror stories (genuine) around, but there are those who forget the numerous horror stories on PH of problems with brand new ICE cars as well, because, well, it's inconvenient and doesn't suit their world view.
Be prepared for all sorts of EV sages to tell you you should have bought a Tesla (neglecting the huge price increase), or waited for the next shiny new thing that's even better (and more expensive, and not available now, and may not live up to the hype), or should have bought a secondhand Leaf (because, as they tell you, that's all YOU need).
If you're not on some form of reduced rate tariff, then there's nothing wrong with charging from 3-pin occasionally (you probably should keep an eye on the socket to make sure it's not getting hot - this could be a sign of less-than-ideal-quality wiring), however if you're intending to keep an EV for a while, then a wallbox will really save money combined with moving to a reduced rate overnight tariff - mine is about a third of the standard rate.
Other than that, enjoy it - there are quirks to learn - I've easily and quickly adapted to touchscreen use - some (many?) will tell how rubbish / crap / dangerous it is. It isn't. But it is different.
No reason it should get 'hot' on a normal socket outlet. If the wiring is sized to suit (i.e 2.5mm from a ring or 1.5mm from a radial) then it's perfectly within the current carrying ability of the equipment. It won't charge at a full 13A anyway, they'll likely pulse up and down like most electrical charging equipment, helps with battery life etc. I don't actually know if it's going to come with a granny charging cable so may need to get one from screwfix (type 2 masterplug lead is about £180) or get a genuine VW one for about £200. Some reviews says it comes with it, some don't, so i'll see what arrives and either dive to screwfix or order online, whatever's easiest. Don't have an EV tariff at the moment but will look into it. I think i renewed not long ago on a year contract with OVO so we'll see what they say. Have access to a few public ones as mentioned so may not be an issue. If i do decide to go for a full charging station then it's quite a bit of work at our house (ripping up flooring to get a decent sized cable outside, as it's a fair old distance from the DB, so the 500quid they quote from the various installers typically would assume a relatively easy route which wouldn't apply in our case. I'm hoping the granny charge will suffice given we're unlikely to need fast charging, so we'll see how we get on.
essayer said:
Going into limp mode at 6% is surprising- that’s about 3.5kWh remaining. I’d happily set off for a ten mile round trip with that left in the Zoe 
It was to me too. It was pretty chilly last night, thats all I can put it down to really. Evanivitch said:
I bet you set back EV relations in your town by a decade
A few drivers were making a funny bottle shaking signal (with no bottle in hand) with their hands out of their car windows 
ecksjay said:
I don't actually know if it's going to come with a granny charging cable so may need to get one from screwfix (type 2 masterplug lead is about £180) or get a genuine VW one for about £200.
Most likely not. Wasn't fussed as I had one I bought for the PHEV that preceded it. Some have had them thrown in as part of deal. Will come with a type 2 32A which will be good for up to 22kW 3-phase chargers, though the onboard AC charger will limit it to 11kW.JonChalk said:
ecksjay said:
I don't actually know if it's going to come with a granny charging cable so may need to get one from screwfix (type 2 masterplug lead is about £180) or get a genuine VW one for about £200.
Most likely not. Wasn't fussed as I had one I bought for the PHEV that preceded it. Some have had them thrown in as part of deal. Will come with a type 2 32A which will be good for up to 22kW 3-phase chargers, though the onboard AC charger will limit it to 11kW.kambites said:
Cupramax said:
Won’t do anywhere near that on a motorway run, the 58kwh model will only realistically do around 170 miles at motorway speeds.
I though the ID3 was quite efficient? That'd make it less efficient than the MG ZS (which gets about 130 miles from 42kwh), which would be disappointing. ETA: Sorry the MG had a 44kwh battery, so similar efficiency. Still I'd have expect the ID3 to out-perform the ZS by some margin, looking at them!
Anyway, even if it only does 130 miles in poor weather at motorway speeds that is probably plenty for the majority family hatchback buyers. Especially given that it supports 100kw charging.
Edited by kambites on Friday 23 April 11:08
Hyundai currently second at around 270ish.
Most of the VAG stuff is around 360wh/mile at the minute.
annodomini2 said:
Most of the VAG stuff is around 360wh/mile at the minute.
That's a pessimistic assumption for an ID.3, based on my personal data, and "VAG stuff" covers a whole range of EVs from eGolfs to Taycans....Total distance driven so far is 1450 miles since start of Jan, at an average of 3.2 mi/kWh. All sorts of roads, driving styles, temperatures (but all pretty cold - it's hardly been a warm year to date, so most drives sub-13 degC)
3.2mi/kWh equates to 312 Wh/mi.
Recent 330 mile round trip from MK to Yeovil and back in a day yielded 3.64 mi/kWh - that's a journey that's mostly A34/A303 dual carriageway, with ACC at 70 occasionally 75, and lots of slow down/speed up due to traffic.
3.64mi/kWh equates to 274Wh/mi.
It's all a relatively pointless argument at that level though as the cost savings compared to anything but the least powerful diesel ICE means you're effectively arguing about whether you're doing 95, 105 or 120 mpge.
ZesPak said:
annodomini2 said:
Most of the VAG stuff is around 360wh/mile at the minute.
"VAG stuff"?Are you saying that the e-tron, Taycan, ID3, ID4 and e-up all have similar consumption?
Daft comment. Most of the tests I've seen put the ID3's efficiency roughly on a par with cars like the Model-3 and the Kona/eNiro. ID3 figures from Bjorn Nyland:
Results at 90 km/h (56 mph):
range of 413 km (257 miles)
energy consumption of 135 Wh/km (217 Wh/mile)
available energy capacity of 55.8 kWh (out of nominal 58 kWh net/62 kWh total)
Results at 120 km/h (75 mph):
range of 271 km (168 miles), down 34.4% compared to 90 km/h
energy consumption of 205 Wh/km (330 Wh/mile)
available energy capacity of 55.6 kWh (out of nominal 58 kWh net/62 kWh total)
Model 3 figures from Bjorn Nyland:
Results at 90 km/h (56 mph):
range of 391 km (243 miles)
energy consumption of 130 Wh/km (209 Wh/mile)
Results at 120 km/h (75 mph):
range of 283 km (176 miles); down 28%
energy consumption of 180 Wh/km (290 Wh/mile); up 38%
So yes the model-3 is slightly better, but not by a huge margin.
Edited by kambites on Friday 30th April 08:06
kambites said:
ZesPak said:
annodomini2 said:
Most of the VAG stuff is around 360wh/mile at the minute.
"VAG stuff"?Are you saying that the e-tron, Taycan, ID3, ID4 and e-up all have similar consumption?
Daft comment. Most of the tests I've seen put the ID3's efficiency roughly on a par with cars like the Model-3 and the Kona/eNiro. kambites said:
Daft comment. Most of the tests I've seen put the ID3's efficiency roughly on a par with cars like the Model-3 and the Kona/eNiro. ID3 figures from Bjorn Nyland:
...
Results at 120 km/h (75 mph):
range of 271 km (168 miles), down 34.4% compared to 90 km/h
energy consumption of 205 Wh/km (330 Wh/mile)
Model 3 figures from Bjorn Nyland:
...
Results at 120 km/h (75 mph):
range of 283 km (176 miles); down 28%
energy consumption of 180 Wh/km (290 Wh/mile); up 38%
So yes the model-3 is slightly better, but not by a huge margin.
ZesPak said:
At motorway speeds that sedan shape does pay dividends though,.
Yup, which is why Hyundai/Kia's efficiency is so remarkable. The Kona and eNiro pretty much match the model-3 despite being decidedly brick-like; the Ioniq trounces them all. Bjorn Nyland got 134wh/km out of the thing at 120kph!Edited by kambites on Friday 30th April 10:29
kambites said:
ZesPak said:
At motorway speeds that sedan shape does pay dividends though,.
Yup, which is why Hyundai/Kia's efficiency is so remarkable. The Kona and eNiro pretty much match the model-3 despite being decidedly brick-like; the Ioniq trounces them all. Bjorn Nyland got 134wh/km out of the thing at 90kph!Edited by kambites on Friday 30th April 10:25
The Ioniq in particular has a very small 38kW battery and is 200KG lighter than the Model 3 or ID3, whilst putting out a heady 135bhp.
Be interested to see the efficiency numbers on the heavier/more powerful variants of the new Ioniq 5 and Kia EV6.
Edited by SWoll on Friday 30th April 10:35
ZesPak said:
SWoll said:
The Ioniq in particular has a very small 38kW battery and is 200KG lighter than the Model 3 or ID3, whilst putting out a heady 135bhp.
Neither of which are really relevant to motorway driving though?kambites said:
SWoll said:
Be interested to see the efficiency numbers on the heavier/more powerful variants of the new Ioniq 5 and Kia EV6.
Indeed. It'll be interesting to see how they compare to the Model-Y. On the face of it they don't look as aerodynamic as the Tesla. Edited by SWoll on Friday 30th April 10:49
Edited by SWoll on Friday 30th April 10:49
kambites said:
SWoll said:
Impressive I agree, although they are all setup with a drivetrain where efficiency is the absolute priority though.
Yup, but for the vast majority of people looking for a family car it's perfectly adequate. Shame they don't appear to be directly replacing the Ioniq. Heres Johnny said:
kambites said:
SWoll said:
Impressive I agree, although they are all setup with a drivetrain where efficiency is the absolute priority though.
Yup, but for the vast majority of people looking for a family car it's perfectly adequate. Shame they don't appear to be directly replacing the Ioniq. Gassing Station | EV and Alternative Fuels | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff