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l354uge said:
Manufacturers make a choice about the regen mapping, nissan like their "one pedal" which regens all the way to a stop, aswell as applying a small amount of foundation brake too, VW like to give a creep effect at low speeds. The car isn't broken, it's just a calibration choice. The two pedal style will appeal more to first time EV drivers who might find one pedal disconcerting.
Ofcourse experienced EV drivers may prefer one pedal.
Tesla have nailed one foot drivingOfcourse experienced EV drivers may prefer one pedal.
Edited by l354uge on Monday 14th June 00:11
one foot driving that does not stop is poor IMO but still not as bad as the awful idea of setting regen braking on the physical brake pedal ...
Dave Hedgehog said:
one foot driving that does not stop is poor IMO but still not as bad as the awful idea of setting regen braking on the physical brake pedal ...
I think the point of regenerating on the brakes is that it makes the car drive like a conventional ICE vehicle whilst still allowing decent efficiency. In the long run I suspect the industry will standise on something like Nissan's system. Dave Hedgehog said:
Tesla have nailed one foot driving
one foot driving that does not stop is poor IMO but still not as bad as the awful idea of setting regen braking on the physical brake pedal ...
Weird to use a brake pedal to decide how much YOU want the car to slow down isnt it....one foot driving that does not stop is poor IMO but still not as bad as the awful idea of setting regen braking on the physical brake pedal ...
Oh wait, its not.
If you are slowing down and suddenly an emergency situation develops and you need maximum braking, having your foot on the brake pedal is still better, you just have to react and push it harder.
With the e pedal you run out of braking well short of maximum and you additionally have to move your foot.
Similarly with auto pilot, if an emergency situation arises beyond the car's capability and hands you back control you have to regain control, assimilate the situation and react, where as if you are already driving adjustment could be instinctive.
With the e pedal you run out of braking well short of maximum and you additionally have to move your foot.
Similarly with auto pilot, if an emergency situation arises beyond the car's capability and hands you back control you have to regain control, assimilate the situation and react, where as if you are already driving adjustment could be instinctive.
granada203028 said:
If you are slowing down and suddenly an emergency situation develops and you need maximum braking, having your foot on the brake pedal is still better, you just have to react and push it harder.
Well, to put an opposite on that pidgeon hole, the fact that "coasting" isn't an option anymore, means you always have your foot on the pedals. So better, yes?It's clearly an upsell given how bad the standard trims look, but given the choice between East Derrys being a £650 option, or the list price being £650 higher and they come as standard, I'd rather have the former. While I really like the look of the East Derrys, I'm still inclined to go for steels just to save the inevitable angst when my wife kerbs them.
You can either paint the standard ones or VW do ones like this as a spare part (about £40 each) - same design but with the background parts black:
Or there's an all-black trim that they use on base model ID.4s:
Speakers? Meh, I don't sit in the back and the kids usually want the volume lower there anyway.
You can either paint the standard ones or VW do ones like this as a spare part (about £40 each) - same design but with the background parts black:
Or there's an all-black trim that they use on base model ID.4s:
Speakers? Meh, I don't sit in the back and the kids usually want the volume lower there anyway.
1. I can't see the wheels from the driving seat, and after 3+ years of paranoid fear driving an S5 with diamond-cut alloys, the steel wheels are a relief.
2. I don't sit in the back seat, and the audio performance on a Family is more than adequate, and on a par with any other £30k new car, rear speakers or not.
You pays your money, you makes your choices
2. I don't sit in the back seat, and the audio performance on a Family is more than adequate, and on a par with any other £30k new car, rear speakers or not.
You pays your money, you makes your choices
DDg said:
Can someone confirm my understanding...
- if you take your foot off the accelerator in an id3 there is no regenerative braking, but instead, speed simply washes off like a conventional ic car?
In D mode, it will coats with minimal regen, UNLESS you have eco assistance on (whether using satnav, ACC or not), in which case it will advise lift off accelerator, and will then regen into whatever feature is upcoming - bend, roundabout, junction, etc. - it is very conservative, and leads to a slow regex-based approach.
In B mode, lifting off results in immediate regen braking, up to a max of 0.25g (which is quite strong, but definitely doesn't stand the car on its nose) - will behave as above, with eco-assistance on, etc, but stronger auto-braking.
- if you press the brake on an id3, then you do get regenerative braking?
Yes - up to max of 0.25g, after which physical brakes cut in. There's a green bar showing relative regen to max, above which physical cuts in, but still delivers max regen until back below 0.25g. Anyone who says they can feel the crossover is either a professional driver, or a liar
Or is there something more to it than that? Thanks.
- if you take your foot off the accelerator in an id3 there is no regenerative braking, but instead, speed simply washes off like a conventional ic car?
In D mode, it will coats with minimal regen, UNLESS you have eco assistance on (whether using satnav, ACC or not), in which case it will advise lift off accelerator, and will then regen into whatever feature is upcoming - bend, roundabout, junction, etc. - it is very conservative, and leads to a slow regex-based approach.
In B mode, lifting off results in immediate regen braking, up to a max of 0.25g (which is quite strong, but definitely doesn't stand the car on its nose) - will behave as above, with eco-assistance on, etc, but stronger auto-braking.
- if you press the brake on an id3, then you do get regenerative braking?
Yes - up to max of 0.25g, after which physical brakes cut in. There's a green bar showing relative regen to max, above which physical cuts in, but still delivers max regen until back below 0.25g. Anyone who says they can feel the crossover is either a professional driver, or a liar
Or is there something more to it than that? Thanks.
DDg said:
Can someone confirm my understanding...
- if you take your foot off the accelerator in an id3 there is no regenerative braking, but instead, speed simply washes off like a conventional ic car?
- if you press the brake on an id3, then you do get regenerative braking?
Or is there something more to it than that? Thanks.
Yes and no - if you take your foot off the accelerator in an id3 there is no regenerative braking, but instead, speed simply washes off like a conventional ic car?
- if you press the brake on an id3, then you do get regenerative braking?
Or is there something more to it than that? Thanks.
D mode it coasts, B mode you get regen braking when you lift off
Pressing the brake gives regen braking (until the conventional brakes are required)
page3 said:
JonChalk said:
You pays your money, you makes your choices
And that’s my dilemma. I quite like the id3 but the Tesla is only £5K more and feels (to me) to be a more interesting (if quirky) car. - There's plenty of deals around, including from VW themselves.JonChalk said:
page3 said:
JonChalk said:
You pays your money, you makes your choices
And that’s my dilemma. I quite like the id3 but the Tesla is only £5K more and feels (to me) to be a more interesting (if quirky) car. - There's plenty of deals around, including from VW themselves.Gassing Station | EV and Alternative Fuels | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff