Reasons Tesla are the only current good choice to buy

[jason61c]

sambucket said:

Great, please give more detail, kind of the point of the thread.

What i'd say is speed alone do not make a premium product, neither does price.

Amazing drivetrain when fully charged, did seem to drop off once the battery charge level went down
doesn't feel like a 50k car inside, didn't feel like a 30k car. Fit and finish seemed like a modern French car, which is a complement for an American car.
there was a rattle from inside the door card.
Ride quality didn't match the price
Couldn't get on with the dash layout
Couldn't get on with the looks.

Plus points were the drivetrain when charged, it was easy to find a charger near somewhere to drink coffee(although some charges seemed very expensive, some of the gimmick features were fun.

If the model 3LR was 35k loaded, i'd say go for it.

Edited by jason61c on Wednesday 8th July 19:42

[RobDickinson]

ash73 said:

Haven't seen the new Mazda EV mentioned on here yet, looks quite nice:

https://www.mazda.co.uk/cars/mazda-mx-30/

Because it has garbage range and a tiny battery? It beats a gen 1 leaf, just.

[Mikebentley]

But cars like the Mazda are being punted by manufacturers to all the people that rarely need over 100miles range for £28k. These are not £50k+ cars. I would bet my left arse cheek that the Mazda is better built with better fit and finish. These EVs are electric white goods and we have all bought into Japanese tech for years.

[jason61c]

100mile range would last my mother in law a month

[SWoll]

ash73 said:

Haven't seen the new Mazda EV mentioned on here yet, looks quite nice:

https://www.mazda.co.uk/cars/mazda-mx-30/

100 mile real world range, suicide doors and a very long bonnet. Bit of an odd one but decently priced and far preferable to the MG ZS.

[SWoll]

ash73 said:

SWoll said:

ash73 said:

Haven't seen the new Mazda EV mentioned on here yet, looks quite nice:

https://www.mazda.co.uk/cars/mazda-mx-30/

100 mile real world range, suicide doors and a very long bonnet. Bit of an odd one but decently priced and far preferable to the MG ZS.

Autogefühl review - he's Mr Detail!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_kB2BWdU9M

Good looking car, imo. Relatively good value, and much better quality than a Tesla flat-pack.

You just can't help yourself can you?

[SWoll]

ash73 said:

SWoll said:

ash73 said:

SWoll said:

ash73 said:

Haven't seen the new Mazda EV mentioned on here yet, looks quite nice:

https://www.mazda.co.uk/cars/mazda-mx-30/

100 mile real world range, suicide doors and a very long bonnet. Bit of an odd one but decently priced and far preferable to the MG ZS.

Autogefühl review - he's Mr Detail!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_kB2BWdU9M

Good looking car, imo. Relatively good value, and much better quality than a Tesla flat-pack.

You just can't help yourself can you?

I wonder if they'll do a rotary powered range extender? That would be . Plenty of space under the bonnet!

I think after the RX-8 they've finally realised rotary is a bad idea, surprised they didn't come to the same conclusion about the stupid doors as well.

That bonnet really is massive though, always the case when using a shared platform unfortunately.

Got a bit of the look of the Honda E about it which is a good thing, for £30k or less I reckon it could sell very well and certainly more interesting than the Kia Niro EV despite the poor range in comparison.

[RobDickinson]

Interesting I've had a new RX8 and model 3, two 'similar' cars ( sporty saloons) couldnt be more different in reality.

It is mazda's plans to put in a rotary extender but who knows if they will get that out into a product.

[jamoor]

BIK savings.

[James-m5qjf]

It’s interesting that people are saying “what do you expect” in response to quality/reliability issues with Tesla’s that are only a few years old.... I though this was about a cleaner and more sustainable future, surely changing your EV every few years in a massive contradiction to the whole value proposition.

[anonymous-user]

James-m5qjf said:

It’s interesting that people are saying “what do you expect” in response to quality/reliability issues with Tesla’s that are only a few years old.... I though this was about a cleaner and more sustainable future, surely changing your EV every few years in a massive contradiction to the whole value proposition.

The 3 was the first mass production car by Tesla that could reasonably be expected to be reliable. Part of the deal with early adoption I guess.

[ZesPak]

sambucket said:

The 3 was the first mass production car by Tesla that could reasonably be expected to be reliable. Part of the deal with early adoption I guess.

Yet even the overly complex Model X has proven itself to be no more expensive to run than similar cars from established manufacturers.

This thread, while just poking people like aestetix1, is the conclusion I made last year when I was considering buying an I Pace.

jason61c said:

unless I missed something

https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/supercharger

24p per kwh

Thats ignoring any 'idle fees etc'

Ecotricity is about 15p if you have their home electricity also.

Well, Tesla is free if you have free supercharging.

When I was planning my trip through France, Tesla SuC was by far the cheapest way to go.

jason61c said:

The best thing going for them is a very ‘loyal’ customer base.

Quite, but I really wanted an I Pace as I was a "loyal" Jaguar customer. I'm not looking back unless Jaguar (and everyone else) steps up their game to Tesla. There's a reason people are "loyal" customers. Tesla is clearly playing another game than anyone else.

Other than that, I'm glad we're past the stage where an EV thread pops up and all of those company directors turn into average wage workers with an apartment, 300 mile commute and a nan in Europe they have to visit 2 times a month at 2 at night.

Edited by ZesPak on Thursday 9th July 08:24

[jason61c]

ZesPak said:

sambucket said:

The 3 was the first mass production car by Tesla that could reasonably be expected to be reliable. Part of the deal with early adoption I guess.

Yet even the overly complex Model X has proven itself to be no more expensive to run than similar cars from established manufacturers.

This thread, while just poking people like aestetix1, is the conclusion I made last year when I was considering buying an I Pace.

jason61c said:

unless I missed something

https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/supercharger

24p per kwh

Thats ignoring any 'idle fees etc'

Ecotricity is about 15p if you have their home electricity also.

Well, Tesla is free if you have free supercharging.

When I was planning my trip through France, Tesla SuC was by far the cheapest way to go.

jason61c said:

The best thing going for them is a very ‘loyal’ customer base.

Quite, but I really wanted an I Pace as I was a "loyal" Jaguar customer. I'm not looking back unless Jaguar (and everyone else) steps up their game to Tesla. There's a reason people are "loyal" customers. Tesla is clearly playing another game than anyone else.

Other than that, I'm glad we're past the stage where an EV thread pops up and all of those company directors turn into average wage workers with an apartment, 300 mile commute and a nan in Europe they have to visit 2 times a month at 2 at night.

Edited by ZesPak on Thursday 9th July 08:24

i think polestar have more than matched tesla. As I said before, it should be good for tesla as they'll have to raise the game also. Given we're in a world where you can have a 400bhp+ car that doesn't cost a penny(BIK), we should get a few good years before its all taxed to hell again.

[ZesPak]

jason61c said:

i think polestar have more than matched tesla. As I said before, it should be good for tesla as they'll have to raise the game also. Given we're in a world where you can have a 400bhp+ car that doesn't cost a penny(BIK), we should get a few good years before its all taxed to hell again.

Polestar 2 seems to be the right balance to me between a legacy manufacturer and new technology. Tesla pushed the enveloppe and Polestar made a compromise.

I wouldn't use the terms "more than matched" though. They did better in some areas, but not all. Tesla still have their charging infrastructure and very efficient packaging. The Polestar 2 probably has a "better" interior and more extensive dealer network?

[RobDickinson]

It's heavier, less efficient even with larger battery pack it doesn't go as far, slower (acceleration and top speed) and charges slower.

But.. It's close enough on all of that that it doesn't really matter, if you prefer it over a tesla.

Interested to see some proper reviews and tests

[SWoll]

RobDickinson said:

It's heavier, less efficient even with larger battery pack it doesn't go as far, slower (acceleration and top speed) and charges slower.

But.. It's close enough on all of that that it doesn't really matter, if you prefer it over a tesla.

Interested to see some proper reviews and tests

It seems a lot closer matched to the iPace than the Model 3 if you look at the weight, ride height, performance and range. Good to see a genuine alternative for people with different priorities for a similar price to the Model 3 though.

I did find this funny

Edited by SWoll on Thursday 9th July 10:37

[ZesPak]

Rob, you're acting like speed matters but you're on the wrong website.
Interior plastics do.

[littleredrooster]

jay2000 said:

What car did you drive? 2hrs drive is about 100-150miles which is less than the max range of a lot of ev. Unless you started your journey on 10% charge.

E-Nero which 'someone' had forgotten to plug in overnight, so I started with minimal charge.

[littleredrooster]

sjg said:

If you're willing to go a couple of minutes from the motorway there's non-Ecotricity rapid chargers very close to junctions 18, 20, 23 and 25 of the M1. Polar, Enginie, Geniepoint, Instavolt and others have been pretty good at finding sites just off the motorway to put rapid chargers on. Yes, ideally you don't have to stray from the services but it's better than taking your chances with Ecotricity.

Ecotricity is the only account we had access to. Which is another valid point - which of the 15+ providers do you have to have an account with? Register with all of them, fer goodness sake???

[aestetix1]

littleredrooster said:

Ecotricity is the only account we had access to. Which is another valid point - which of the 15+ providers do you have to have an account with? Register with all of them, fer goodness sake???

Just use your credit card.