Reasons Tesla are the only current good choice to buy
Discussion
sambucket said:
James-m5qjf said:
It’s interesting that people are saying “what do you expect” in response to quality/reliability issues with Tesla’s that are only a few years old.... I though this was about a cleaner and more sustainable future, surely changing your EV every few years in a massive contradiction to the whole value proposition.
The 3 was the first mass production car by Tesla that could reasonably be expected to be reliable. Part of the deal with early adoption I guess.We leapt in for a Kona EV a year ago for our second car.
Fabulous machine - we've done 11k miles, only charged a couple of times in public, and given how our monthly payment to Octopus Energy is the same and we are in credit, technically that doesn't feel like it has cost us anything to run!
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But
If I had to fill up in public on long runs a reasonable amount....I would only chose a Tesla today.
EVs are essentially a smart computer on wheels.
Tesla has built out an amazing infrastructure around that.
Ecotricity & the suchlike are still the Wild West in comparison.
Instavolt look fairly good - just use a credit card at point of payment, no faffing about with special cards and apps, which is what we need....yet even when we used that it took a few plugin and retry to get to work.
I would love a Polestar2. I think it looks way better than a Tesla interior, and actually I feel EVs need a combination of actual buttons & not just a screen.
But.....I would only chose it if they worked with the Tesla infrastructure.
Not sure what Ts & Cs Elon offered, perhaps they were awful, but other vendors need to sign up to be able to use it.
I've read the journeys across Europe people have done in other cars. The journey becomes THE thing....& not in a pleasant way!
The only EV I would consider taking to go skiing in the Alps would be a Tesla. Maybe the Model Y could replace my cracking XC60 one day....
DragonflyTrumpeter said:
Okay, so you only need superchargers every 200 miles. We have 3 out of the 5 in our whole country within 80 miles, covering the 2 main routes, 2 of them 20 miles apart and nothing for half the population and 200 miles one way after that. But it is demand.
I admire you Rob. I may disagree with most things you post but I admire your dedication to your cause.
As vice Glasgow and Edinburgh there’s not much happeningI admire you Rob. I may disagree with most things you post but I admire your dedication to your cause.
The main trips will be from or to England where business happens
It’s down to where’s the demand going to be
sambucket said:
Don't take this the wrong way, but i don't trust a word you say on anything EV related.
Be ignorant and dumb if you like. I mean you could easily just google it and verify it for yourself.The Ecotricity chargers have wifi hotspots built in too so that if your particular phone network isn't working you can use that to pay. I don't know about other networks although some have payment terminals in the chargers.
aestetix1 said:
Be ignorant and dumb if you like. I mean you could easily just google it and verify it for yourself.
The Ecotricity chargers have wifi hotspots built in too so that if your particular phone network isn't working you can use that to pay. I don't know about other networks although some have payment terminals in the chargers.
Thanks for the info. Ecotricity run under 1% of UK chargers?The Ecotricity chargers have wifi hotspots built in too so that if your particular phone network isn't working you can use that to pay. I don't know about other networks although some have payment terminals in the chargers.
This is a good example why it's generally safest to distrust by default. Someone might have read your comment and got stuck in Dunkeld without power..... Even if you are right some of the time, it's probably just safest.
Agree completely about charging network, and if I wanted an EV as my only or main car, I'd reluctantly put up with a poorly built, unreliable Tesla.
Charging network would make them the only choice for me today.
I have a local use only EV though, so have avoided Tesla for now.
Hopefully networks will improve, or Teslas will, by the time I buy my next car.
Charging network would make them the only choice for me today.
I have a local use only EV though, so have avoided Tesla for now.
Hopefully networks will improve, or Teslas will, by the time I buy my next car.
sambucket said:
Thanks for the info. Ecotricity run under 1% of UK chargers?
No, it's way more than that. According to ZapMap they run 1.7% of the top 75% of public chargers, including everything down to 3.3kW domestic style sockets.https://www.zap-map.com/statistics/#charger-type
So when it comes to just rapid chargers it will be a lot higher. They have chargers at every single MSA in the country.
SWoll said:
LotusJas said:
Agree completely about charging network, and if I wanted an EV as my only or main car, I'd reluctantly put up with a poorly built, unreliable Tesla.
As a man with Lotus in his username and a McLaren in his garage I'd expect you'd be used to that kind of thing by now?
I'm sure the tesla is on another level of reliable.
jamoor said:
SWoll said:
LotusJas said:
Agree completely about charging network, and if I wanted an EV as my only or main car, I'd reluctantly put up with a poorly built, unreliable Tesla.
As a man with Lotus in his username and a McLaren in his garage I'd expect you'd be used to that kind of thing by now?I'm sure the tesla is on another level of reliable.
CABC said:
jamoor said:
SWoll said:
LotusJas said:
Agree completely about charging network, and if I wanted an EV as my only or main car, I'd reluctantly put up with a poorly built, unreliable Tesla.
As a man with Lotus in his username and a McLaren in his garage I'd expect you'd be used to that kind of thing by now?I'm sure the tesla is on another level of reliable.
Chap in the 458 got an unpleasant surprise when he tried it on today
But I suppose Tesla’s only good at speed
George Smiley said:
So was I in my poorly built unreliable but quickly topped up m3 today
Chap in the 458 got an unpleasant surprise when he tried it on today
But I suppose Tesla’s only good at speed
i didn't criticise Tesla, merely affirmed the joy of 2 great car manufacturers.Chap in the 458 got an unpleasant surprise when he tried it on today
But I suppose Tesla’s only good at speed
B road blast tomorrow morning, Talbot Sunbeam or m3?
to be clear, Teslas are good and ev sportscars will also be good. but i'll still enjoy having to WORK for my b road fun, that's why it's a hobby.
jamoor said:
SWoll said:
LotusJas said:
Agree completely about charging network, and if I wanted an EV as my only or main car, I'd reluctantly put up with a poorly built, unreliable Tesla.
As a man with Lotus in his username and a McLaren in his garage I'd expect you'd be used to that kind of thing by now?...CABC said:
i didn't criticise Tesla, merely affirmed the joy of 2 great car manufacturers.
B road blast tomorrow morning, Talbot Sunbeam or m3?
to be clear, Teslas are good and ev sportscars will also be good. but i'll still enjoy having to WORK for my b road fun, that's why it's a hobby.
I get that it’s more asterix and the way he hates Elon for giving him car aidsB road blast tomorrow morning, Talbot Sunbeam or m3?
to be clear, Teslas are good and ev sportscars will also be good. but i'll still enjoy having to WORK for my b road fun, that's why it's a hobby.
I seem to have touched a nerve with some owners 
Despite also saying a Tesla is currently the only choice for a one car daily choice.
Sorry but face it. They are poorly built and unreliable. But do they have an exceptional charger network.
A quick google search on reliability brought up these links as the top ones:
https://uk.motor1.com/news/428893/model-s-15-least...
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/06/teslas-are-th...
https://www.businessinsider.com/survey-uk-drivers-...
https://www.carsuk.net/tesla-and-range-rover-are-t...
Despite also saying a Tesla is currently the only choice for a one car daily choice.Sorry but face it. They are poorly built and unreliable. But do they have an exceptional charger network.
A quick google search on reliability brought up these links as the top ones:
https://uk.motor1.com/news/428893/model-s-15-least...
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/06/teslas-are-th...
https://www.businessinsider.com/survey-uk-drivers-...
https://www.carsuk.net/tesla-and-range-rover-are-t...
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