Tesla 3 Performance vs. I-Pace S
Discussion
Cost was the same when I got our Tesla and the iPace range would be suitable for 99% of our needs so not a deciding factor for us.
I wanted the better drivers car though and whilst the iPace was good it understandably still felt rather big and heavy in comparison. I also wasn't keen on the iPace's on board tech or screen layout after borrowing one for a weekend, although I hear the new system is a big improvement in tech at least.
Had I been doing a lot more long trips I'm sure the iPace would have been a better place to spend time, but then in that scenario range and charging would have been against it so still not convinced I'd have made a different choice.
I wanted the better drivers car though and whilst the iPace was good it understandably still felt rather big and heavy in comparison. I also wasn't keen on the iPace's on board tech or screen layout after borrowing one for a weekend, although I hear the new system is a big improvement in tech at least.
Had I been doing a lot more long trips I'm sure the iPace would have been a better place to spend time, but then in that scenario range and charging would have been against it so still not convinced I'd have made a different choice.
The AWD cars typically use different ratios front and back for flexibility, cars,I’ve the Taycan also have two speed gearboxes on just the one axle I believe, but if you think you’ll work out something amazing assessing the potential build up of back EMF based on motor type, final drive ratio and rolling wheel diameter you’re kind of missing the billion other things. Questions such as peak and sustained current delivery and thermal dissipation values would all yield wildly more interesting debates.
Well a clear graph I found had the motor revving to 12500 rpm. Another reference has the top speed at 124 mph. This puts the gearing at 10mph/1000 rpm. My Leaf is about 9.
https://www.automobile-catalog.com/curve/2019/2875...
The speed is probably limited by the mechanical integrity of the motor and certainly not power but maybe to stop the battery from being drained in one go. Thrust is proportional to torque and inversely proportional to gearing and weight. I assume a weight of kerb plus 100kg.
So the I Pace is (696 x 1643 x 9) / (280 x 2233 x 10) = 1.65 times better than the Leaf which to be fair to the dissenters out there doesn't feel right, the I Pace was a lot better! The I Pace base speed is 4200 rpm vs I think 3000 for the Leaf so maintains peak thrust up to 42 mph where as the Leaf starts throttling back at constant power from 27 mph. So just before the I pace switches to constant power it would be pulling 2.27 times better than the Leaf, at 42mph.
I'm thinking of a Nero or an i4 so would like to do the calculation for these. Also a friend is getting a Kona.
https://www.automobile-catalog.com/curve/2019/2875...
The speed is probably limited by the mechanical integrity of the motor and certainly not power but maybe to stop the battery from being drained in one go. Thrust is proportional to torque and inversely proportional to gearing and weight. I assume a weight of kerb plus 100kg.
So the I Pace is (696 x 1643 x 9) / (280 x 2233 x 10) = 1.65 times better than the Leaf which to be fair to the dissenters out there doesn't feel right, the I Pace was a lot better! The I Pace base speed is 4200 rpm vs I think 3000 for the Leaf so maintains peak thrust up to 42 mph where as the Leaf starts throttling back at constant power from 27 mph. So just before the I pace switches to constant power it would be pulling 2.27 times better than the Leaf, at 42mph.
I'm thinking of a Nero or an i4 so would like to do the calculation for these. Also a friend is getting a Kona.
I'm confused as to why we're now debating revs of these cars!? Who care - it means nothing unless you look at several other values.. abd all to work out how fast a car might be, when those stats are already know 
Back to the two cars in question - obviously they're two very different cars. I have driven a model 3 performance and there's no doubting it is quicker 0-60 than my iPace. BUT, the iPace actually handles for better and gives a driver much more control and confidence. I genuinely believe that on most winding UK back roads I'd be easily as fast point to point in the iPace.
Tbh, the Tesla's are quite easily shown up by most euro EV's that have even the tiniest 'sportiness' in their design.
Also is it just me... or it the model 3 a bit of a minger? The proportions are just a bit.... meh.
Back to the two cars in question - obviously they're two very different cars. I have driven a model 3 performance and there's no doubting it is quicker 0-60 than my iPace. BUT, the iPace actually handles for better and gives a driver much more control and confidence. I genuinely believe that on most winding UK back roads I'd be easily as fast point to point in the iPace.
Tbh, the Tesla's are quite easily shown up by most euro EV's that have even the tiniest 'sportiness' in their design.
Also is it just me... or it the model 3 a bit of a minger? The proportions are just a bit.... meh.
TheDeuce said:
I'm confused as to why we're now debating revs of these cars!? Who care - it means nothing unless you look at several other values.. abd all to work out how fast a car might be, when those stats are already know
Back to the two cars in question - obviously they're two very different cars. I have driven a model 3 performance and there's no doubting it is quicker 0-60 than my iPace. BUT, the iPace actually handles for better and gives a driver much more control and confidence. I genuinely believe that on most winding UK back roads I'd be easily as fast point to point in the iPace.
Tbh, the Tesla's are quite easily shown up by most euro EV's that have even the tiniest 'sportiness' in their design.
Also is it just me... or it the model 3 a bit of a minger? The proportions are just a bit.... meh.
Having driven one for 2 years there's not much than can keep up on a winding back road due to the combination of size and instant performance IME. The iPace does have better steering though.Back to the two cars in question - obviously they're two very different cars. I have driven a model 3 performance and there's no doubting it is quicker 0-60 than my iPace. BUT, the iPace actually handles for better and gives a driver much more control and confidence. I genuinely believe that on most winding UK back roads I'd be easily as fast point to point in the iPace.
Tbh, the Tesla's are quite easily shown up by most euro EV's that have even the tiniest 'sportiness' in their design.
Also is it just me... or it the model 3 a bit of a minger? The proportions are just a bit.... meh.
SWoll said:
TheDeuce said:
I'm confused as to why we're now debating revs of these cars!? Who care - it means nothing unless you look at several other values.. abd all to work out how fast a car might be, when those stats are already know
Back to the two cars in question - obviously they're two very different cars. I have driven a model 3 performance and there's no doubting it is quicker 0-60 than my iPace. BUT, the iPace actually handles for better and gives a driver much more control and confidence. I genuinely believe that on most winding UK back roads I'd be easily as fast point to point in the iPace.
Tbh, the Tesla's are quite easily shown up by most euro EV's that have even the tiniest 'sportiness' in their design.
Also is it just me... or it the model 3 a bit of a minger? The proportions are just a bit.... meh.
Having driven one for 2 years there's not much than can keep up on a winding back road due to the combination of size and instant performance IME. The iPace does have better steering though.Back to the two cars in question - obviously they're two very different cars. I have driven a model 3 performance and there's no doubting it is quicker 0-60 than my iPace. BUT, the iPace actually handles for better and gives a driver much more control and confidence. I genuinely believe that on most winding UK back roads I'd be easily as fast point to point in the iPace.
Tbh, the Tesla's are quite easily shown up by most euro EV's that have even the tiniest 'sportiness' in their design.
Also is it just me... or it the model 3 a bit of a minger? The proportions are just a bit.... meh.
I said 'winding' back road because it's the twisty bits that slow you down the most. Granted, the model 3p will fire out of those twisty bits a little quicker than the Jag... but not by much really.
Tbf, I doubt there would be much in it at all, could go either way. But regardless - I'd rather drive a car that feels more connected.
RobDickinson said:
I'm genuinely wondering what situation an ipace would be faster than a model 3 performance, unless it's off road ?
Not in a straight line, or round a track?
Not knocking the ipace its a different vehicle, but really wtf.
Handling.. confidence..Not in a straight line, or round a track?
Not knocking the ipace its a different vehicle, but really wtf.
These are what make cars fast in the real world on a winding UK b -road.
The fact that form a standing start in ideal conditions the model 3 is faster is surprisingly quickly diluted by the fact you wouldn't want to push it to 100% on a typical b-road and actually use all that power, because it's not precise and confidence inspiring.
It really depends how you judge performance. If in perfect conditions and a pro-driver at the wheel, sure.... the model 3 is clearly quicker. Provided there are at least enough straights to offset the fact it's just not good in corners.
ok precious
Sad thing about the ipace is Magna showed off a better more efficient one 18 months ago and jag have not done a damned thing.
https://insideevs.com/news/401112/magna-e4-technol...
Sad thing about the ipace is Magna showed off a better more efficient one 18 months ago and jag have not done a damned thing.
https://insideevs.com/news/401112/magna-e4-technol...
Edited by RobDickinson on Tuesday 14th December 19:42
Utterly made up drive cycle though for mileage claim.
And that technology “tour de force”of Tesla (no HUD, no matrix lights) also doesn’t include torque vectoring by braking and of course vision does help UK roads more than a whoopie cushion. Yet to drive a M3P.
That said I felt faster pushing on in a model S P100D as just felt more controlled with air compared to my coil spring IPACE whilst managing the extra power with ease, just devoid of feel also the model S has an Evoque steering rack…
Observation of IPACE is regardless of temp or SoC you have consistant performance. Tesla more sensitive to state of charge and warmup, but then bound to be more obvious with so much power.
All bonkers fast for UK roads. Still remember seeing a performance the first month or so our, I’ve never seen a car pop out and take over 3 cars one by one in such a short amount of time on what we’re normal country lanes, proper impressive.
And that technology “tour de force”of Tesla (no HUD, no matrix lights) also doesn’t include torque vectoring by braking and of course vision does help UK roads more than a whoopie cushion. Yet to drive a M3P.
That said I felt faster pushing on in a model S P100D as just felt more controlled with air compared to my coil spring IPACE whilst managing the extra power with ease, just devoid of feel also the model S has an Evoque steering rack…
Observation of IPACE is regardless of temp or SoC you have consistant performance. Tesla more sensitive to state of charge and warmup, but then bound to be more obvious with so much power. All bonkers fast for UK roads. Still remember seeing a performance the first month or so our, I’ve never seen a car pop out and take over 3 cars one by one in such a short amount of time on what we’re normal country lanes, proper impressive.
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