Tesla 3 Performance vs. I-Pace S

[SWoll]

JonnyVTEC said:

Utterly made up drive cycle though for mileage claim.

And that technology “tour de force”of Tesla (no HUD, no matrix lights) also doesn’t include torque vectoring by braking and of course vision does help UK roads more than a whoopie cushion. Yet to drive a M3P.

That said I felt faster pushing on in a model S P100D as just felt more controlled with air compared to my coil spring IPACE whilst managing the extra power with ease, just devoid of feel also the model S has an Evoque steering rack… Observation of IPACE is regardless of temp or SoC you have consistant performance. Tesla more sensitive to state of charge and warmup, but then bound to be more obvious with so much power.

All bonkers fast for UK roads. Still remember seeing a performance the first month or so our, I’ve never seen a car pop out and take over 3 cars one by one in such a short amount of time on what we’re normal country lanes, proper impressive.

Yep. Lots of talk about the 0-60 time but where it really shines is 30-70mph. Never tired of overtaking slow moving traffic and farm equipment in ours, the biggest issue being other drivers just aren't calibrated for how quickly it responds and picks up speed so have to pick your moments wisely.

Completely agree on the variable nature of the performance based on SOC and temp though. In the summer after a 20-90% charge on a V3 supercharger ours felt utterly savage and very noticeably quicker than in normal day to day use after an overnight charge on a 3-pin.

[TheDeuce]

RobDickinson said:

ok precious


Sad thing about the ipace is Magna showed off a better more efficient one 18 months ago and jag have not done a damned thing.

https://insideevs.com/news/401112/magna-e4-technol...

Edited by RobDickinson on Tuesday 14th December 19:42

I'm not that interested in efficiency tbh! I don't know why you think I would be!?

I just like the car and the way it drives - the same as the last 20 cars I've had. Fairly typical for PH I would have thought...

[RobDickinson]

I couldn't give a crap what you're interested in tbh

[JonnyVTEC]

Oh you were treacle, hence wouldn’t have rose

[granada203028]

Yes JonnyVTEC I'm considering the total power. The I Pace has two identical motors, 696Nm, 294kW total.

RobDickinson no criticism of the model 3 intended, just didn't want to start another thread just re awake this one.

Yes TheDeuce thinking about it further, above base speed gearing doesn't matter just simple power to weight ratio.

So the I Pace (294/80) x (1643/2240) = 2.7 times better than the Leaf - more what I experienced.

I leave it to the student to work out the superiority of the model 3 performance.

[TheDeuce]

SWoll said:

JonnyVTEC said:

Utterly made up drive cycle though for mileage claim.

And that technology “tour de force”of Tesla (no HUD, no matrix lights) also doesn’t include torque vectoring by braking and of course vision does help UK roads more than a whoopie cushion. Yet to drive a M3P.

That said I felt faster pushing on in a model S P100D as just felt more controlled with air compared to my coil spring IPACE whilst managing the extra power with ease, just devoid of feel also the model S has an Evoque steering rack… Observation of IPACE is regardless of temp or SoC you have consistant performance. Tesla more sensitive to state of charge and warmup, but then bound to be more obvious with so much power.

All bonkers fast for UK roads. Still remember seeing a performance the first month or so our, I’ve never seen a car pop out and take over 3 cars one by one in such a short amount of time on what we’re normal country lanes, proper impressive.

Yep. Lots of talk about the 0-60 time but where it really shines is 30-70mph. Never tired of overtaking slow moving traffic and farm equipment in ours, the biggest issue being other drivers just aren't calibrated for how quickly it responds and picks up speed so have to pick your moments wisely.

Completely agree on the variable nature of the performance based on SOC and temp though. In the summer after a 20-90% charge on a V3 supercharger ours felt utterly savage and very noticeably quicker than in normal day to day use after an overnight charge on a 3-pin.

I do have the air suspension on my iPace (and the additional variable damping) so I can't honestly say how much of a difference that makes. I ordered that spec as the one I tested had that spec..

To me the Tesla's all just feel a little vague, a little soft. That's honestly not even a criticism - It's just the setup they went for, and there's lots of reasons to like that setup. For me personally, I prefer a slightly firmer and more communicative arrangement.

I will say that all EV's I have driven other than the e-up have felt better than the average ICE due to the low down batteries and motors. They're not actually 'better' of course, they're all heavy fkers and on a track you would lose out due to that weight T1. But in the real world... all the weight is on or below the axles which is ideal and without wobbling around above the axles, the extra weight actually aids mechanical grip unless you really push it.

And they then do 0-60 in silly seconds and costs 1p per mile to fuel

Unless you buy a very dull city run around type EV, I don't think there is a 'bad' choice among them tbh. They're all civilised, fast, convenient..

[TheDeuce]

RobDickinson said:

I couldn't give a crap what you're interested in tbh

My mistake - when you replied to something I said I got all confused and thought you might have wanted an exchange of views etc...

I hadn't realised you were just looking to offer a hit and run opinion.

[SWoll]

TheDeuce said:

I do have the air suspension on my iPace (and the additional variable damping) so I can't honestly say how much of a difference that makes. I ordered that spec as the one I tested had that spec..

To me the Tesla's all just feel a little vague, a little soft. That's honestly not even a criticism - It's just the setup they went for, and there's lots of reasons to like that setup. For me personally, I prefer a slightly firmer and more communicative arrangement.

I will say that all EV's I have driven other than the e-up have felt better than the average ICE due to the low down batteries and motors. They're not actually 'better' of course, they're all heavy fkers and on a track you would lose out due to that weight T1. But in the real world... all the weight is on or below the axles which is ideal and without wobbling around above the axles, the extra weight actually aids mechanical grip unless you really push it.

And they then do 0-60 in silly seconds and costs 1p per mile to fuel

Unless you buy a very dull city run around type EV, I don't think there is a 'bad' choice among them tbh. They're all civilised, fast, convenient..

Funny as I wouldn't describe anything in our Model 3 P as soft. Very stiff suspension, very flat cornering, quick steering, super quick throttle response. Your description sounds more like the Model S I drove TBH, or our eTron.

[TheDeuce]

SWoll said:

TheDeuce said:

I do have the air suspension on my iPace (and the additional variable damping) so I can't honestly say how much of a difference that makes. I ordered that spec as the one I tested had that spec..

To me the Tesla's all just feel a little vague, a little soft. That's honestly not even a criticism - It's just the setup they went for, and there's lots of reasons to like that setup. For me personally, I prefer a slightly firmer and more communicative arrangement.

I will say that all EV's I have driven other than the e-up have felt better than the average ICE due to the low down batteries and motors. They're not actually 'better' of course, they're all heavy fkers and on a track you would lose out due to that weight T1. But in the real world... all the weight is on or below the axles which is ideal and without wobbling around above the axles, the extra weight actually aids mechanical grip unless you really push it.

And they then do 0-60 in silly seconds and costs 1p per mile to fuel

Unless you buy a very dull city run around type EV, I don't think there is a 'bad' choice among them tbh. They're all civilised, fast, convenient..

Funny as I wouldn't describe anything in our Model 3 P as soft. Very stiff suspension, very flat cornering, quick steering, super quick throttle response. Your description sounds more like the Model S I drove TBH, or our eTron.

Quick throttle response and flat turning are to be expected from any thoroughbred EV. That's the nature of the beast.

The 3P was definitely better than the original launch S I drove in terms of driver appeal. But firm suspension isn't the end of the story, a well sorted suspension setup goes far beyond what can be summarised as firm vs soft. Have you driven an iPace with air suspension and dynamic damping? I honestly think it's better - although naturally the little model 3 'feels' quicker at the same speeds on a twisty road.

[JonnyVTEC]

Compliance, the friend of a good UK B road.

[TheDeuce]

JonnyVTEC said:

Compliance, the friend of a good UK B road.

Any boy racer can strap silly stiff coilovers to their ride. But real driver confidence requires a bit more finesse in terms of the handling of the car. It isn't enough to conclude it doesn't roll all that much. When I was 7 my Dad made me a go-cart which had zero roll, the suspension was so firm it simply didn't exist... I can't claim the end result offered much in the way of dynamic performance though

[ZesPak]

I've had the I Pace for a day and it actually convinced me to get an EV, daily running a Jaguar XF at the time.
It was early days and I couldn't get the financing right (no discounts, very high price when optioned up), but I would have had it over the Model 3 based on looks and practicality alone.

However, in no way I feel like the I Pace is somehow more "performant" or "sporty" than a Model 3 P. It feels slower, heavier and bigger (although it has the same footprint) at every turn. The TM3P feels like a proper go cart compared to the I Pace.

The I Pace is a great car and superior to any of the non-ev competition in my book. But the TM3P is just a more performance-oriented car and feels like it.

Oh and if anyone cares, infotainment was a big let down, but that was almost 3 years ago so probably has been updated.
As a car, both have their pros and cons though and for me the I Pace would edge it but I don't think there's a bad choice here.

My 2 cents:
I Pace:

• Better looking
• More practical (hatch)
• More comfortable

TM3P:

• Faster
• Better range
• Better infotainment/app
• No options list

[TheDeuce]

ZesPak said:

I've had the I Pace for a day and it actually convinced me to get an EV, daily running a Jaguar XF at the time.
It was early days and I couldn't get the financing right (no discounts, very high price when optioned up), but I would have had it over the Model 3 based on looks and practicality alone.

However, in no way I feel like the I Pace is somehow more "performant" or "sporty" than a Model 3 P. It feels slower, heavier and bigger (although it has the same footprint) at every turn. The TM3P feels like a proper go cart compared to the I Pace.

The I Pace is a great car and superior to any of the non-ev competition in my book. But the TM3P is just a more performance-oriented car and feels like it.

Oh and if anyone cares, infotainment was a big let down, but that was almost 3 years ago so probably has been updated.
As a car, both have their pros and cons though and for me the I Pace would edge it but I don't think there's a bad choice here.

My 2 cents:
I Pace:

• Better looking
• More practical (hatch)
• More comfortable

TM3P:

• Faster
• Better range
• Better infotainment/app
• No options list

I agree with all you have said. Even that the M3P feels faster - something I alluded to earlier. I think your go-cart description is bang on.

But... 'feeling' fast in a go cart fashion is often different to actually going as fast as you feel you're going.. The real world result will always come down to actual pace regardless of feel, and also the typical drivers confidence level. The car inspires the confidence.

This is why I always make sure to point out anyone looking to spend any serious £££ should make sure to do a full 24 hr test drive if at all possible. You can't go 'on paper' stats. It has to be a personal thing - more than ever in a world where all upper market EV's are super car quick. They're all quick, no need for bragging rights. Time to simply assume it's going to be quick and re-focus on other aspects!

[ZesPak]

TheDeuce said:

I agree with all you have said. Even that the M3P feels faster - something I alluded to earlier. I think your go-cart description is bang on.

But... 'feeling' fast in a go cart fashion is often different to actually going as fast as you feel you're going.. The real world result will always come down to actual pace regardless of feel, and also the typical drivers confidence level. The car inspires the confidence.

I don't really understand what you're trying to say, but it sounds like you are implying that the I Pace can be faster in some cases, which I wouldn't believe for a second. Competent car, but the Model 3 is a lot easier to place and can take a lot more speed into the corner. It's not even a contest, I'd say in any scenario the I Pace (and to be fair, most cars on the road) wouldn't have an idea of where the Model 3 P went...

[dmsims]

You also have to factor in that the Ipace might not finish the journey

[RobDickinson]

lmao just built an iPace to match a perf model 3 and its $167,700. They wanted $1000 for wireless phone charging :O

The 3 would be $97,600

Thought they'd dropped the iPace price but must have pushed it up again. That doesnt include air suspension either.

[JonnyVTEC]

RobDickinson said:

lmao just built an iPace to match a perf model 3 and its $167,700. They wanted $1000 for wireless phone charging :O

The 3 would be $97,600

Thought they'd dropped the iPace price but must have pushed it up again. That doesnt include air suspension either.

Are you US based?

Different class of car to be honest - as in segment.

Its a bit like comparing an M3 (real one) to an X4...

UK is £61k for a model 3P with colour and IPACE starts at 65k, really you'd want to go HSE of course.

Edited by JonnyVTEC on Wednesday 15th December 08:44

[WestyCarl]

ZesPak said:

I don't really understand what you're trying to say, but it sounds like you are implying that the I Pace can be faster in some cases, which I wouldn't believe for a second. Competent car, but the Model 3 is a lot easier to place and can take a lot more speed into the corner. It's not even a contest, I'd say in any scenario the I Pace (and to be fair, most cars on the road) wouldn't have an idea of where the Model 3 P went...

After test driving both, I run a M3 LR (not the Performance) and frankly cannot imagine people regularly drive these cars to their limit on the roads, they are that fast.

In the real world, unless you are willing to risk a stretch inside, I don't think you could sperate the the M3 and I-Pace on speed across country. Both are awesome cars. (I only chose the M3 due to the range Supercharger network)

[ZesPak]

WestyCarl said:

After test driving both, I run a M3 LR (not the Performance) and frankly cannot imagine people regularly drive these cars to their limit on the roads, they are that fast.

In the real world, unless you are willing to risk a stretch inside, I don't think you could sperate the the M3 and I-Pace on speed across country. Both are awesome cars. (I only chose the M3 due to the range Supercharger network)

Oh, I agree. But that defeats the point of the question asked imho. I think the Model S is a marvelous car to drive at 8/10, a pace at which most cars would struggle to keep up with it, but does that somehow make it as competent a car as the Model 3?

If speed doesn't matter at that point, why are we even discussing a TM3P instead of a regular LR, which starts a good 15k quid below an optionless I Pace?

[WestyCarl]

ZesPak said:

If speed doesn't matter at that point, why are we even discussing a TM3P instead of a regular LR, which starts a good 15k quid below an optionless I Pace?

Which is why I went for the LR, as much as the 18yr old in me wanted a car that went 0-60 in 3.xx seconds with my usage I just couldn't justify it.