Tesla 3 Performance vs. I-Pace S
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Model 3P owner here. About the ride and handling..........It's not perfect but it by no means disgraces itself. A Giulia quadrifoglio or BMW M3 are sharper and more focused drivers cars, for sure, but the Tesla is none too shabby, either.......and certainly better than any i-Pace.
What I want to know is who tuned the chassis for Tesla. No disrespect to Tesla engineers but, it is such a good effort that I suspect a 3rd party had a hand in it.
What I want to know is who tuned the chassis for Tesla. No disrespect to Tesla engineers but, it is such a good effort that I suspect a 3rd party had a hand in it.
I've not driven a M3 on twisty stuff - but my impression are of quite a pointy front end, very light feeling (hides its mass well) - but it's noisy inside the cabin and doesn't handle rough surfaces that well. Jumping back into my i3S , the latter felt heavier - down to the steering and body control I think, but also much quieter at motorway speed.
I've driven the I-Pace at Millbrook (and been driven by a pro) and its handling is very good. With a pro driving i was amazed at what it could do!
Try both :-)
I've driven the I-Pace at Millbrook (and been driven by a pro) and its handling is very good. With a pro driving i was amazed at what it could do!
Try both :-)
I previously had Alfa Giulla QF.
Test drove Ipace and M3P within week if each other.
The Ipace was a very good option but I went for Tesla. It handled much better in my opinion , very little roll and I wanted track mode and have used it a few times .
I think Tesla 2 years ahead of Ipace, I admit trim not great in comparison but seriously does not concern me . I’m contracting hire too.
Test drove Ipace and M3P within week if each other.
The Ipace was a very good option but I went for Tesla. It handled much better in my opinion , very little roll and I wanted track mode and have used it a few times .
I think Tesla 2 years ahead of Ipace, I admit trim not great in comparison but seriously does not concern me . I’m contracting hire too.
If anyone wants to find out how the Model 3 Performance handles, I'll be at the PH track evening at Brands Hatch in August. If the rules allow it I'd be happy to take anyone around the track for a few laps.
It would be fun if an iPace was there to compare it against, but I doubt it very much
It would be fun if an iPace was there to compare it against, but I doubt it very much
pghstochaj said:
Blue Oval84 said:
The tech in the 3 will be a bit better, and it'll be noticeably quicker I imagine. But the iPace is undoubtedly the nicer of the two to sit in (and better looking in my opinion but that's in the eye of the beholder I guess)
Do you mind me asking, are those net deduction figures based on higher rate tax?
I think I need to look at an ipace property. In a spec I think they look fairly bad Do you mind me asking, are those net deduction figures based on higher rate tax?
Yes, those figures are both take home pay reductions for a higher rate tax payer.
One other thing that people have picked up on, the ride quality of the Tesla can be a bit harsh, it's probably fine compared to many but I find the LR AWD to be very firm compared to my S80 (unsurprisingly) and even compared to things like the Leaf. The iPace, whilst it doesn't go around corners quite as well as the Tesla, is certainly a more comfortable place to spend time as well as being a nicer interior.
That said, I'm sure the Tesla is fine compared to most performance orientated cars.
Sorry I bet I'm not helping much
Blue Oval84 said:
Thanks, I had a feeling they were. I looked into one on our salary sacrifice scheme and was confused at first as to why the net difference in take home was much bigger for me than it was for one of the top bosses until she pointed out that she pays higher rate tax and I don't, therefore gets a bigger saving...
One other thing that people have picked up on, the ride quality of the Tesla can be a bit harsh, it's probably fine compared to many but I find the LR AWD to be very firm compared to my S80 (unsurprisingly) and even compared to things like the Leaf. The iPace, whilst it doesn't go around corners quite as well as the Tesla, is certainly a more comfortable place to spend time as well as being a nicer interior.
That said, I'm sure the Tesla is fine compared to most performance orientated cars.
Sorry I bet I'm not helping much
No, you're not! I sat in my colleague's HSE today and whilst it was nice, it wasn't as nice as I expected. It felt like many other cars, where as my 6 series feels like a glove you've put on. Maybe after nearly ten years I am just too used to it! One other thing that people have picked up on, the ride quality of the Tesla can be a bit harsh, it's probably fine compared to many but I find the LR AWD to be very firm compared to my S80 (unsurprisingly) and even compared to things like the Leaf. The iPace, whilst it doesn't go around corners quite as well as the Tesla, is certainly a more comfortable place to spend time as well as being a nicer interior.
That said, I'm sure the Tesla is fine compared to most performance orientated cars.
Sorry I bet I'm not helping much
I think if it was anything other than the S I would seriously consider it, but I don't think I want the S and I am not willing to pay the uplift for the HSE
Another colleague has a Tesla Model 3 so I will ask him nicely to have a look. I don't think his is a performance model though so it looks less good from the ouside but I am guesisng fairly similar on the inside.
I keep refreshing the NHS fleet solutions website to see if a HSE becomes available. .
RobDickinson said:
The only difference is the wheels, slightly lower and the spoiler. none oif which my performance has either
And the brakes.If it's an SR+ the P also has a better sound system and possibly additional infotainment functionality if comparing to a car without a premium connectivity subscription.
FurtiveFreddy said:
Can you post links to these reviews please? Genuine question.
You could just google it yourself.https://fullycharged.show/reviews/jaguar-i-pace-pe...
Overall, the I-PACE handles better than any other EV currently on the market in most situations – such as on wide, sweeping corners.
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/jaguar/i...
[i]Does it work on the twisty stuff?
It’s actually very impressive. This is a heavy car at 2.2 tonnes, but it doesn’t feel it, partly because such a large portion of the weight is mounted low down. The steering is quick and accurate, the body nicely controlled, and there’s both high grip when you carve into a corner off-throttle, and huge traction when all 513lb ft pings you out, with just the occasional sense of the front tyres scrabbling to deliver the frantic forward momentum.[/i]
https://www.motor1.com/reviews/354870/2019-jaguar-...
This is a charming dance partner, tipping the scales at a light (for the segment) 4,784 pounds. Its lower center of gravity – the I-Pace is only 61.3 inches tall, over two inches lower than the next closest rival, the 63.9-inch EQC – and more aggressive air suspension deliver a sharper, flatter handling character. You want to toss the I-Pace around and have some fun with it; take advantage of the quick steering and the darty way it can change directions. It’s quite a change of pace from taller, heavier rivals that focus on ride comfort.
That's some impressive cognitive dissonance you've managed there. 
None of those reviews or carefully selected comments suggest it handles better than the Model 3 P, just better than most other EV's available at the time of writing or in it's sector (which isn't exactly hard when comparing to the EQC and ETron).
Particularly enjoyed your editing of the below comment to remove the last 2 sentences.
None of those reviews or carefully selected comments suggest it handles better than the Model 3 P, just better than most other EV's available at the time of writing or in it's sector (which isn't exactly hard when comparing to the EQC and ETron).
Particularly enjoyed your editing of the below comment to remove the last 2 sentences.
FullChargedShow said:
Overall, the I-PACE handles better than any other EV currently on the market in most situations – such as on wide, sweeping corners. However on narrow, twisty Lake District roads you’re aware of the weight of the car (and the raised ‘crossover’ body height). For such roads, a BMW i3s will provide more rewarding and agile handling.
Edited by SWoll on Tuesday 14th July 09:37
aestetix1 said:
You could just google it yourself.
https://fullycharged.show/reviews/jaguar-i-pace-pe...
Overall, the I-PACE handles better than any other EV currently on the market in most situations – such as on wide, sweeping corners.
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/jaguar/i...
[i]Does it work on the twisty stuff?
It’s actually very impressive. This is a heavy car at 2.2 tonnes, but it doesn’t feel it, partly because such a large portion of the weight is mounted low down. The steering is quick and accurate, the body nicely controlled, and there’s both high grip when you carve into a corner off-throttle, and huge traction when all 513lb ft pings you out, with just the occasional sense of the front tyres scrabbling to deliver the frantic forward momentum.[/i]
https://www.motor1.com/reviews/354870/2019-jaguar-...
This is a charming dance partner, tipping the scales at a light (for the segment) 4,784 pounds. Its lower center of gravity – the I-Pace is only 61.3 inches tall, over two inches lower than the next closest rival, the 63.9-inch EQC – and more aggressive air suspension deliver a sharper, flatter handling character. You want to toss the I-Pace around and have some fun with it; take advantage of the quick steering and the darty way it can change directions. It’s quite a change of pace from taller, heavier rivals that focus on ride comfort.
You're going to have to try a bit harder that that..https://fullycharged.show/reviews/jaguar-i-pace-pe...
Overall, the I-PACE handles better than any other EV currently on the market in most situations – such as on wide, sweeping corners.
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/jaguar/i...
[i]Does it work on the twisty stuff?
It’s actually very impressive. This is a heavy car at 2.2 tonnes, but it doesn’t feel it, partly because such a large portion of the weight is mounted low down. The steering is quick and accurate, the body nicely controlled, and there’s both high grip when you carve into a corner off-throttle, and huge traction when all 513lb ft pings you out, with just the occasional sense of the front tyres scrabbling to deliver the frantic forward momentum.[/i]
https://www.motor1.com/reviews/354870/2019-jaguar-...
This is a charming dance partner, tipping the scales at a light (for the segment) 4,784 pounds. Its lower center of gravity – the I-Pace is only 61.3 inches tall, over two inches lower than the next closest rival, the 63.9-inch EQC – and more aggressive air suspension deliver a sharper, flatter handling character. You want to toss the I-Pace around and have some fun with it; take advantage of the quick steering and the darty way it can change directions. It’s quite a change of pace from taller, heavier rivals that focus on ride comfort.
The first review was written before the Model 3 was released in the UK and the other two don't compare the I-Pace's handling with the Model 3. If anything, they compare it with "taller, heavier rivals" e.g. SUVs.
I tried Googling, but like you I didn't find anything which proves your point.
evil.edna said:
Model 3P owner here. About the ride and handling..........It's not perfect but it by no means disgraces itself. A Giulia quadrifoglio or BMW M3 are sharper and more focused drivers cars, for sure, but the Tesla is none too shabby, either.......and certainly better than any i-Pace.
What I want to know is who tuned the chassis for Tesla. No disrespect to Tesla engineers but, it is such a good effort that I suspect a 3rd party had a hand in it.
Randy Pobst was involved in the setup of the model 3What I want to know is who tuned the chassis for Tesla. No disrespect to Tesla engineers but, it is such a good effort that I suspect a 3rd party had a hand in it.
FurtiveFreddy said:
You're going to have to try a bit harder that that..
The first review was written before the Model 3 was released in the UK and the other two don't compare the I-Pace's handling with the Model 3. If anything, they compare it with "taller, heavier rivals" e.g. SUVs.
I tried Googling, but like you I didn't find anything which proves your point.
the ipace is a barge compared to the M3 lolThe first review was written before the Model 3 was released in the UK and the other two don't compare the I-Pace's handling with the Model 3. If anything, they compare it with "taller, heavier rivals" e.g. SUVs.
I tried Googling, but like you I didn't find anything which proves your point.
SWoll said:
Indeed, in fact as posted earlier it's only possible to find the exact opposite from What Car? who compared the cars directly.
This one? https://www.whatcar.com/news/new-tesla-model-3-vs-...They tested with the larger wheels and air suspension though, which is actually worse for handling.
The Model 3 is by no means bad. They fixed many of the issues that made the Model S a barge.
I've got a Model 3 SR+ on the work's lease scheme. It was that or an i3S for me.
£350 pm over 48 months for 20k a year mileage.
An i3S was £270 pm over 36 months, same miles per year.
The I-Pace was around £600 a month.
I chose the M3 over the £80 a month, swung by the Supercharging network which meant we could run it as the main family car as well. For me, it's a great way to see how we manage with an EV without the long term commitment over actually owning one. Plus the deal is good IMO.
So far, no issues with build quality, panel gaps or anything really.
£350 pm over 48 months for 20k a year mileage.
An i3S was £270 pm over 36 months, same miles per year.
The I-Pace was around £600 a month.
I chose the M3 over the £80 a month, swung by the Supercharging network which meant we could run it as the main family car as well. For me, it's a great way to see how we manage with an EV without the long term commitment over actually owning one. Plus the deal is good IMO.
So far, no issues with build quality, panel gaps or anything really.
Maracus said:
I've got a Model 3 SR+ on the work's lease scheme. It was that or an i3S for me.
£350 pm over 48 months for 20k a year mileage.
An i3S was £270 pm over 36 months, same miles per year.
The I-Pace was around £600 a month.
I chose the M3 over the £80 a month, swung by the Supercharging network which meant we could run it as the main family car as well. For me, it's a great way to see how we manage with an EV without the long term commitment over actually owning one. Plus the deal is good IMO.
So far, no issues with build quality, panel gaps or anything really.
Good call. We had an i3 before the M3P and whilst it was great fun it never felt like a car for doing long trips in and wasn't very practical with the tiny boot and silly suicide doors. Also a lot slower than the SR+, down on range and less well equipped. £80 a month well spent I'd say.£350 pm over 48 months for 20k a year mileage.
An i3S was £270 pm over 36 months, same miles per year.
The I-Pace was around £600 a month.
I chose the M3 over the £80 a month, swung by the Supercharging network which meant we could run it as the main family car as well. For me, it's a great way to see how we manage with an EV without the long term commitment over actually owning one. Plus the deal is good IMO.
So far, no issues with build quality, panel gaps or anything really.
I liked the I Pace I test drove and I love my Model S. I think the Model 3 is a good offering.
But at the prices you state, I couldn't see myself getting the Model 3 over the I Pace.
Of course, personal preference plays a big part and I really like the look of the I Pace while I'm not a big fan of the Model 3's proportions.
Or you might need the supercharging network but those would be really edge cases considering it's not a good idea to rely on charging like that and the competition chargers have more and more coverage.
Come to those cars, I'd really try to have a test drive before making a decision. But since I driven both and considering the I Pace comes up cheaper, it would be a no-brainer for me.
But at the prices you state, I couldn't see myself getting the Model 3 over the I Pace.
Of course, personal preference plays a big part and I really like the look of the I Pace while I'm not a big fan of the Model 3's proportions.
Or you might need the supercharging network but those would be really edge cases considering it's not a good idea to rely on charging like that and the competition chargers have more and more coverage.
Come to those cars, I'd really try to have a test drive before making a decision. But since I driven both and considering the I Pace comes up cheaper, it would be a no-brainer for me.
Edited by ZesPak on Wednesday 15th July 11:10
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