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alishutc said:
Oh look - an aerodynamic design and sensible wheels = good range.
Perhaps if other manufacturers start building proper cars instead of chunky SUVs on 22 inch wheels we might see a mainstream alternative with more than 200 miles real world range. Something like the VW ID5 looks positive.
They also revealed the lucid gravity a honking great suv on 22 inch wheels... Perhaps if other manufacturers start building proper cars instead of chunky SUVs on 22 inch wheels we might see a mainstream alternative with more than 200 miles real world range. Something like the VW ID5 looks positive.
aestetix1 said:
BigMacDaddy said:
I know right? We want more boring, cheap, mass-produced cars!!!
There are plenty of interesting and affordable EVs.alishutc said:
Oh look - an aerodynamic design and sensible wheels = good range.
Perhaps if other manufacturers start building proper cars instead of chunky SUVs on 22 inch wheels we might see a mainstream alternative with more than 200 miles real world range. Something like the VW ID5 looks positive.
Nothing to do with the huge battery of course.Perhaps if other manufacturers start building proper cars instead of chunky SUVs on 22 inch wheels we might see a mainstream alternative with more than 200 miles real world range. Something like the VW ID5 looks positive.
Kia, Hyundai, Renault and shortly Skoda already make mainstream EV's with 200+ miles of range so not sure what you are getting at TBH?
with this current pandemic and the global economic downturn the Lucid has arrived too expensive and too late for mass market. Niche market product won't be sustainable now, the Financial numbers just don't work. The real profitability for EV's will be the sub 30k which is where the mass production works, Tesla saw the changes going from S, X to model 3 and now possibly at Gigaberlin Model 2. Most other European manufacturers have seen this approach too.
SWoll said:
Nothing to do with the huge battery of course.
An Audi eTron is rated at 249 miles on a 95KW battery. A model S is rated at 379 miles on a 100KW battery - so yes, I think it is about much more than the battery.SWoll said:
Kia, Hyundai, Renault and shortly Skoda already make mainstream EV's with 200+ miles of range so not sure what you are getting at TBH?
I specifically said *real* range and I think you'd struggle to get that on a motorway run. And ultimately when you're concerned about max range it's for long trips, the bulk of which are likely to be on a motorway. This is where drag and rolling resistance become big factors.I just want something with Audi/Merc/BMW design and build quality but Tesla range and charging infrastructure. Sadly the market continues to conspire against me.
alishutc said:
I specifically said *real* range and I think you'd struggle to get that on a motorway run. And ultimately when you're concerned about max range it's for long trips, the bulk of which are likely to be on a motorway. This is where drag and rolling resistance become big factors.
The Kia and e-Niro will easily do over 200 miles on the motorway even in less than ideal weather.alishutc said:
SWoll said:
Nothing to do with the huge battery of course.
An Audi eTron is rated at 249 miles on a 95KW battery. A model S is rated at 379 miles on a 100KW battery - so yes, I think it is about much more than the battery.SWoll said:
Kia, Hyundai, Renault and shortly Skoda already make mainstream EV's with 200+ miles of range so not sure what you are getting at TBH?
I specifically said *real* range and I think you'd struggle to get that on a motorway run. And ultimately when you're concerned about max range it's for long trips, the bulk of which are likely to be on a motorway. This is where drag and rolling resistance become big factors.I just want something with Audi/Merc/BMW design and build quality but Tesla range and charging infrastructure. Sadly the market continues to conspire against me.
Kia, Hyundai, Jaguar all have cars that will comfortably do 200 real world miles at motorway speeds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH7V2tU3iFc, you might want to do some research before posting?
You won't find another manufacturer with Tesla charging infrastructure and it's unlikely there will ever be one so you're probably stuck if that's what you're holding out for unfortunately.
SWoll said:
Lucid battery is 20% bigger than the Model S I believe so whilst I expect it will be more efficient I wouldn't expect miracles personally. 450-475 real world miles?
Lighter too, which probably accounts for some of the difference.SWoll said:
You won't find another manufacturer with Tesla charging infrastructure and it's unlikely there will ever be one so you're probably stuck if that's what you're holding out for unfortunately.
It's not hard. Stop requiring a bunch of different apps/NFC cards. Stop charging people more for using normal contactless payments. Improve availability and reliability. I'm pretty confident we will be there in few years time, but we are absolutely not there yet.jhoneyball said:
Ha ha yes exactly. And this is ultimately a failure of regulation and the government's laissez-faire attitude.A lot of these things are built on public land - rules should be that you accept contactless/card payments without requiring anyone to hand over their personal details, and you charge everybody the same rate. If you're not able to get enough installed on those terms, subsidise until you can. Honestly I think the money we spend on discounting the purchase price of new EVs would be better spent on improving the infrastructure.
SWoll said:
Kia, Hyundai, Jaguar all have cars that will comfortably do 200 real world miles at motorway speeds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH7V2tU3iFc, you might want to do some research before posting?
I had seen that actually, had forgotten quite how good the Kia is.Edited by alishutc on Sunday 13th September 22:12
Quite an impressive presentation but as said, when it turns up, let’s see.
Looks like they must have about a billion quid of funding already if they really can make what they say.
Also - infrastructure. Not sure what ‘charging America’ network is like? I’m assuming a whole lot worse than the Tesla superchargers.
Looks like they must have about a billion quid of funding already if they really can make what they say.
Also - infrastructure. Not sure what ‘charging America’ network is like? I’m assuming a whole lot worse than the Tesla superchargers.
p1stonhead said:
Also - infrastructure. Not sure what ‘charging America’ network is like? I’m assuming a whole lot worse than the Tesla superchargers.
Actually, contrary to what a lot of people and certain biased websites might say, its not 'that bad'....Coverage is good, locations are usually very convenient and while there are a number of different networks. Chargepoint is the best for me, but they do have partner agreements with other networks. Used them a few times already and its been fast, convenient and pretty cheap ($4 charging session for my wife's i3 for 50 miles).
Electrify America is growing rapidly and getting into a lot of locations. However, its worth nothing that they are around double the cost vs Tesla Superchargers (if you didnt get free charging, which most people dont these days). Its still WAY cheaper than gas, but convenience is usually worth a couple of dollars. And let me be honest here - its arguing about a top-up charging session that is $15 ($1 minimum session charge, plus time based charging) rather than $7-8 - yeah there is a difference, but penny pinching on something that is still drastically cheaper than gas while you top-up your $45k car doesnt make a lot of sense.
However, the issue here currently (ha, see my pun there) is reliability. Thats the big issue. Getting to a nearby charger is usually pretty easy. But getting full power charging is one issue as is actually getting the session working is the other. This seems to be the big issue at the moment and it is putting a lot of people off. It will get fixed, but having to factor in a backup charging location just in case is an issue and a hassle that some dont want.
I live in the sticks.... and there are 4 chargers near me (within 5 miles), two of which are free! And expand that to 25 miles and the number jumps to 21 chargers (mix of shopping malls, specific stores and public charging stations). Go to 50 mile range and I am well above 400 locations! All pretty good and easy.
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