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They went public via a SPAC rather than traditional IPO I believe, so no surprise to see lots of empty promises and a share price that has fallen off a cliff.
I'm sure a few people made a lot of money during the pump and dump phase as is always the case. At one point their shares were trading at $56, today barely $4..
I'm sure a few people made a lot of money during the pump and dump phase as is always the case. At one point their shares were trading at $56, today barely $4..
what a lovely place to be!
W12GT said:
Is the steering wheel really that shape? The left hand side is bigger/thicker than the right? Or is that down to the camera doing odd things?
It looks to me like the wheel is somewhat of a conical section, and due to the camera being offset to the right from the central axis of the wheel, you see the depth on the left-hand side, but not on the right.I'm pretty certain the wheel is symmetrical left to right. Additionally, I don't recall it feeling odd to hold when I sat in one.
W12GT said:
DodgyGeezer said:
Is the steering wheel really that shape? The left hand side is bigger/thicker than the right? Or is that down to the camera doing odd things?Hooray! Lucid Air coming to the UK in a few years and possibly the Gravity SUV too! We really need more choices in the luxury EV space.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/lucid-...
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/lucid-...
rodericb said:
raspy said:
How many luxury super powerful electric SUVs have you come across that are compact and easy to thread around city streets?
It's more the fact that it's 6173 pounds. That's the weight of it too - not the monthly on the lease.... 2800kg for those in advanced nations.Luxury SUV's do tend to be between 2-2.5t these days. ICE versions are typically lighter than EV's but in terms of how they feel, the EV's feel lighter due to the sheer amount of torque and low slung weight.
The only time the weight would present itself as a negative is if you were shopping for a luxury SUV to take on track days, which would be a bit weird.
NB: Australia made metric the standard for measurement in 1970, 53 years ago. It's been long enough to adapt surely?
Edited by TheDeuce on Monday 20th November 22:48
ZesPak said:
Agreed, but 2.5 tonnes is already Range Rover. 2.8T is another level again imho. Soon you can't load them up anymore or you won't be allowed in town (here the town limits are often 3.5T).
I'll accept that 2.8t is quite a lot, but what on earth would you put in a luxury SUV that weighs 700kg?4 large adults is 400kg. Even if they bring luggage and snacks, that's not another 300 kgs.
I get the impression they've designed this particular car with no care about weight, they've put kit/luxury/range first. Which is fair enough given the cars use case.
If it were a pickup truck it would be an issue.
TheDeuce said:
ZesPak said:
Agreed, but 2.5 tonnes is already Range Rover. 2.8T is another level again imho. Soon you can't load them up anymore or you won't be allowed in town (here the town limits are often 3.5T).
I'll accept that 2.8t is quite a lot, but what on earth would you put in a luxury SUV that weighs 700kg?4 large adults is 400kg. Even if they bring luggage and snacks, that's not another 300 kgs.
I get the impression they've designed this particular car with no care about weight, they've put kit/luxury/range first. Which is fair enough given the cars use case.
If it were a pickup truck it would be an issue.
TheDeuce said:
ZesPak said:
Agreed, but 2.5 tonnes is already Range Rover. 2.8T is another level again imho. Soon you can't load them up anymore or you won't be allowed in town (here the town limits are often 3.5T).
I'll accept that 2.8t is quite a lot, but what on earth would you put in a luxury SUV that weighs 700kg?4 large adults is 400kg. Even if they bring luggage and snacks, that's not another 300 kgs.
I get the impression they've designed this particular car with no care about weight, they've put kit/luxury/range first. Which is fair enough given the cars use case.
If it were a pickup truck it would be an issue.
TheDeuce said:
rodericb said:
raspy said:
How many luxury super powerful electric SUVs have you come across that are compact and easy to thread around city streets?
It's more the fact that it's 6173 pounds. That's the weight of it too - not the monthly on the lease.... 2800kg for those in advanced nations.Luxury SUV's do tend to be between 2-2.5t these days. ICE versions are typically lighter than EV's but in terms of how they feel, the EV's feel lighter due to the sheer amount of torque and low slung weight.
The only time the weight would present itself as a negative is if you were shopping for a luxury SUV to take on track days, which would be a bit weird.
NB: Australia made metric the standard for measurement in 1970, 53 years ago. It's been long enough to adapt surely?
Edited by TheDeuce on Monday 20th November 22:48
The 2000 BMW 750il was 2085kg. I appreciate that the Lucid Gravity has an extra row of seats and the big battery but the BMW was packing that bit V12 engine (and the transmission). I'm intrigued as to how they manage to make the things weigh so much. And that goes for cars in general - the X3M is over 2 tonnes, the Maserati MC20 is also a whopper.
rodericb said:
Ha ha, I got that lb number from the Car Throttle video and converted it to get the kg's. If I translate 2800kg's into Australian it's fahkinell-what's-the-fahkin-thing-made-of?!?!?!
The 2000 BMW 750il was 2085kg. I appreciate that the Lucid Gravity has an extra row of seats and the big battery but the BMW was packing that bit V12 engine (and the transmission). I'm intrigued as to how they manage to make the things weigh so much. And that goes for cars in general - the X3M is over 2 tonnes, the Maserati MC20 is also a whopper.
There's a very simple answer... batteries.The 2000 BMW 750il was 2085kg. I appreciate that the Lucid Gravity has an extra row of seats and the big battery but the BMW was packing that bit V12 engine (and the transmission). I'm intrigued as to how they manage to make the things weigh so much. And that goes for cars in general - the X3M is over 2 tonnes, the Maserati MC20 is also a whopper.
My 2015 XF was 1800kg. The Model S is 2.3T. It removes an engine and gearbox but adds two motors and over 500kg of batteries.
Weight is also an escalating issue. Because the bottom is that much heavier, you have to make sure the roof can take that weight in case you flip the car (although it's nearly impossible with the low CoG), you've got bigger wheels and broader tires to stop and go the thing, you need bigger and bigger suspension because of it, bigger brakes, more battery, etc etc.
Taking a look at former Lotus or even the MX5 or any other simple low weight car, it's not just the engine or batteries. It's everything.
The difference between the engine + gearbox compared to motors + batteries might just be ~200-300kg, that extra 200-300kg makes sure everything else needs to be up to the task.
Just imagine an Elise, but you add 200kg payload to it and want it to perform the same or better. You'd have to replace/reinforce nearly every component and you probably add another 200kg to achieve that.
ZesPak said:
rodericb said:
Ha ha, I got that lb number from the Car Throttle video and converted it to get the kg's. If I translate 2800kg's into Australian it's fahkinell-what's-the-fahkin-thing-made-of?!?!?!
The 2000 BMW 750il was 2085kg. I appreciate that the Lucid Gravity has an extra row of seats and the big battery but the BMW was packing that bit V12 engine (and the transmission). I'm intrigued as to how they manage to make the things weigh so much. And that goes for cars in general - the X3M is over 2 tonnes, the Maserati MC20 is also a whopper.
There's a very simple answer... batteries.The 2000 BMW 750il was 2085kg. I appreciate that the Lucid Gravity has an extra row of seats and the big battery but the BMW was packing that bit V12 engine (and the transmission). I'm intrigued as to how they manage to make the things weigh so much. And that goes for cars in general - the X3M is over 2 tonnes, the Maserati MC20 is also a whopper.
My 2015 XF was 1800kg. The Model S is 2.3T. It removes an engine and gearbox but adds two motors and over 500kg of batteries.
Weight is also an escalating issue. Because the bottom is that much heavier, you have to make sure the roof can take that weight in case you flip the car (although it's nearly impossible with the low CoG), you've got bigger wheels and broader tires to stop and go the thing, you need bigger and bigger suspension because of it, bigger brakes, more battery, etc etc.
Taking a look at former Lotus or even the MX5 or any other simple low weight car, it's not just the engine or batteries. It's everything.
The difference between the engine + gearbox compared to motors + batteries might just be ~200-300kg, that extra 200-300kg makes sure everything else needs to be up to the task.
Just imagine an Elise, but you add 200kg payload to it and want it to perform the same or better. You'd have to replace/reinforce nearly every component and you probably add another 200kg to achieve that.
SUVs are traditionally quite lumpy. The ICE Land Rover Range rover weighs between 1,950 to 2,280 kg.
By the time the actual new car sale ICE ban comes in force in 2035 battery technology will have advanced and most people will have come to terms with reality of range requirements.
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