New VW ID 4 Reveal
Discussion
REALIST123 said:
SWoll said:
That really does appear incredibly underwhelming doesn't it?
Given up on actually posting anything relevant to the topic of the thread I see. I'm sure that will help to improve the quality of discourse in the forum.
As a Kia driver perhaps it looks quite exciting?
coetzeeh said:
REALIST123 said:
SWoll said:
That really does appear incredibly underwhelming doesn't it?
The Skoda Enyaq looks a far more appealing product in pretty much every way?
yes skoda enyaq is not cheap and basic things such as rear camera and adaptive cruise are not standard on base 60 model. Expect upwards of 35k once options are added. ID 4 should be priced more expensive then Enyaq and then when Audi Q4 etron is launched next expect even higher pricing. Nothing under 30k not for at least another 3 years
jjwilde said:
Gromm said:
It’s better be cheap.
It's more than the Tesla M3... and everything is a bloody option, even the sunroof & big screen!https://insideevs.com/
edit: and then you get the $7,500 Federal Tax credit on the ID4 which makes it a $32,750 car.
Edited by coetzeeh on Wednesday 23 September 19:47
I think that it looks quite good. Much better than the ID3. From the side, I like the beefiness of the body above the wheels, and the way the window line swoops down inbetween. The proportions are good too, with short overhangs and short bonnet. I also like the door handles. The plastic on the lower parts of the doors looks very Renault, which I don't like so much.
This should sell well if the monthly payments are not too high.
This should sell well if the monthly payments are not too high.
I've already noticed some discounts about for the ID3's, so with any luck, these hopefully will become a bit more affordable once the whole 'new model' thing has worn off. Given a decently specced Tiguan is ~£33k new, this may struggle at first with private buyers. As the majority of this sort of thing is purchased new as company cars / pool cars etc, I can see them still selling pretty well (particularly if depreciation/monthlies are low)
It's £10k more than an e-Niro, but it's bigger, got a better range, and more importantly for this kind of car, a better badge!
For me, it's not what I would choose, but for plenty of families it'd be perfect and would accelerate the move away from ICE. The more competition in this sector, the better!
VW actively seem to be doing more for the charging network when compared to Kia / Nissan etc, albeit have a lot of catchup to get to Tesla levels (although so does everyone).
Given the number of Software / Dev role adverts I've seen recently for VW, the firm still has a long way to go. If you purchase one of these in the near future, expect a couple of years before all the bug fixes are in place and features enabled. It'll come with time, but many car and commercial vehicle firms are a bit lacking in software/firmware at the moment. (but I think with the likes of VAG, exciting collaborations with some major tech firms are to come)
It's £10k more than an e-Niro, but it's bigger, got a better range, and more importantly for this kind of car, a better badge!
For me, it's not what I would choose, but for plenty of families it'd be perfect and would accelerate the move away from ICE. The more competition in this sector, the better!
VW actively seem to be doing more for the charging network when compared to Kia / Nissan etc, albeit have a lot of catchup to get to Tesla levels (although so does everyone).
Given the number of Software / Dev role adverts I've seen recently for VW, the firm still has a long way to go. If you purchase one of these in the near future, expect a couple of years before all the bug fixes are in place and features enabled. It'll come with time, but many car and commercial vehicle firms are a bit lacking in software/firmware at the moment. (but I think with the likes of VAG, exciting collaborations with some major tech firms are to come)
coetzeeh said:
$39,995
https://insideevs.com/
edit: and then you get the $7,500 Federal Tax credit on the ID4 which makes it a $32,750 car.
That should sell well in USA then I think.https://insideevs.com/
edit: and then you get the $7,500 Federal Tax credit on the ID4 which makes it a $32,750 car.
jjwilde said:
Gromm said:
It’s better be cheap.
It's more than the Tesla M3... and everything is a bloody option, even the sunroof & big screen!Anyway, we’ll get the shaft as usual.
Otispunkmeyer said:
jjwilde said:
Gromm said:
It’s better be cheap.
It's more than the Tesla M3... and everything is a bloody option, even the sunroof & big screen!Anyway, we’ll get the shaft as usual.
SWoll said:
Otispunkmeyer said:
jjwilde said:
Gromm said:
It’s better be cheap.
It's more than the Tesla M3... and everything is a bloody option, even the sunroof & big screen!Anyway, we’ll get the shaft as usual.
Also not everyone is bothered about doing 0-60 in 3 seconds, that kinda thing doesn’t resonate with the majority of buyers who just want a decent car to ferry the family about in, so they won’t be bothered if it’s slower. It’ll be good enough in the performance stakes for the vast majority of people. Is it less practical though? I guess the Y will have a larger boot on account of the optional 3rd row kiddy seats in the back that can stow away. Bigger boot is definitely better for families. I think the 3rd row is of limited practicality though so would just get the model without them. We used to have people carriers in the family ( remember those?) and those seats right at the back almost never got used because they’re too pokey and to cumbersome to actually get at. But they were always a “pro” for buying the car, it’s just that the reality didn’t fit the vision.
So for me, they’re both 5 seat SUVs and you just have to weigh it up. Is the faster car, with more boot space, more range and better tech worth the premium? For some it will be, for others it won’t and the ID4 will be a good enough, no frills family bus.
Remember VWs game has never been to be edge of the envelope. It’s to be the conservative middle ground. Inoffensive, unobtrusive, staid. Don’t do anything fancy, just do the basics really well. Going by the reviews for the ID3, if the 4 is anything like it then I’d say they hit the brief.
Hyundai Kona is basically a small hatchback raised up. I don’t know if you have seen or been in one, but it’s much smaller than I thought it would be. The eNiro is bigger, but I think still classed as a sub compact crossover. So I think this definitely isn’t a direct competitor to those vehicles, though I agree people might divert away from them, spend a little more for the bigger car and the “better” badge.
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Wednesday 23 September 23:49
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