Does EV mean you drive more?

[Toaster]

When fuel revenues drop you can bet the government will go for pay per mile and track you wherever you go. No such thing as a Free Lunch

[biggles330d]

Yep, I'd say so. If you have a bit of mechanical understanding you'd know that a couple of miles on a cold engine isn't very good for wear / economy etc so I'd have either just not bothered 'popping out' if i wanted to or waited until another trip was needed or taken a bike.
With the EV, no such concerns. Jump in, nothing much to warm up, almost free to run... makes it very easy if not a bit lazy.

[essayer]

Toaster said:

When fuel revenues drop you can bet the government will go for pay per mile and track you wherever you go. No such thing as a Free Lunch

people were saying that 6 years ago

[SWoll]

essayer said:

Toaster said:

When fuel revenues drop you can bet the government will go for pay per mile and track you wherever you go. No such thing as a Free Lunch

people were saying that 6 years ago

Indeed, and even if correct anyone with sense would be making hay while the sun shines rather than complaining about it.

[leef44]

biggles330d said:

Yep, I'd say so. If you have a bit of mechanical understanding you'd know that a couple of miles on a cold engine isn't very good for wear / economy etc so I'd have either just not bothered 'popping out' if i wanted to or waited until another trip was needed or taken a bike.
With the EV, no such concerns. Jump in, nothing much to warm up, almost free to run... makes it very easy if not a bit lazy.

and in a few years from now, someone will published a research paper on linking EV with obesity.

[dgswk]

leef44 said:

and in a few years from now, someone will published a research paper on linking EV with obesity.

Nah, that’ll be electric scooters......

[Biggles111]

Does it change how much driving one does? Yes-have pretty much doubled my annual mileage, pre-covid anyway. Last year we chose to drive to Norway for a holiday/road trip, 5000km round trip, 5 up, for a fuel cost of not much.

My office is 60 miles away, and whilst I can work from home when I want, £3 for a round trip makes for a painless commute and saves me some money for track days in my classic.

[LG9k]

Driving more, even in an EV, is bad for the envornment, as it creates more congestion, ultimately. Congestion means more pollution from ICE cars.

I've ended up cycling a lot more thanks to covid, the roads were quiet and a lot safer. Now I'm back to occasionally being held up by cars stuck in traffic.

I can't believe those who are able to walk 1km actually drive that sort of distance.

[kambites]

LG9k said:

I can't believe those who are able to walk 1km actually drive that sort of distance.

Plenty do. Especially when the weather is crap.

[LG9k]

kambites said:

Plenty do. Especially when the weather is crap.

I know, it's like umbrellas and coats don't exist.

[Willow1212]

Toaster said:

When fuel revenues drop you can bet the government will go for pay per mile and track you wherever you go. No such thing as a Free Lunch

Petrol/diesel duty has been frozen for 10 years, personally I think that will be ramped up again if more tax £s are needed, well before they try to find a way to add a tax of some sort to EVs.

Personally since switching one of our two cars to an EV two years ago we have probably driven less, not more, and the EV has become our first choice for 95% of journeys. In fact I've recently done a CBT and bought an electric motorbike to use for future commuting, so that I can spend less time being the guy in an otherwise-empty car adding to the traffic, and also working towards getting rid of our ICE car. Just waiting until we can get an EV with a little more range and a bigger boot so it (plus the bike) can do everything we need.

[off_again]

SWoll said:

essayer said:

Toaster said:

When fuel revenues drop you can bet the government will go for pay per mile and track you wherever you go. No such thing as a Free Lunch

people were saying that 6 years ago

Indeed, and even if correct anyone with sense would be making hay while the sun shines rather than complaining about it.

Yup, why not? Makes sense to me.

However, subsidies will drop at some point - as with the federal grant system here in the US, and the same with some of the local state stuff too - but if its there, why not take advantage of it?

[gangzoom]

LG9k said:

Driving more, even in an EV, is bad for the envornment, as it creates more congestion, ultimately. Congestion means more pollution from ICE cars.

I've ended up cycling a lot more thanks to covid, the roads were quiet and a lot safer. Now I'm back to occasionally being held up by cars stuck in traffic.

Couldn't agree more, regarding cycling its pretty safe as long as you have good road awareness. The two scars I have on my arms from cycling accidents have all been due to me going too fast and nothing at all to do cars.

I loss count the number of cars stuck in traffic I overtake on the way to work these days. Get to work quicker and get a good work out at the same time, I love commuting to work on the bike.

The main issue with cycling in the UK is getting through a cold/dark/wet winter, but lovely fashion accessories like these really help!!!



Sadly if you are a fashion trend setter there is no way to make bib shorts look cool, luckily am as fashionable as this guy so all is good .

Edited by gangzoom on Tuesday 6th October 07:16

[NS66]

wisbech said:

Shower thoughts. Compared to ICE, EV either have the same or higher fixed costs (depreciation/ insurance, offset by lower vehicle duty) but much lower variable costs (fuel vs electricity)

In theory, this means people should end up doing more miles, as the marginal cost of trips will be much lower. Do you find this to be true, or does it just not make a difference?

In an EV absolutely no - My EV is just a boring pod, a mode of transport to get you from A>B
However absolutely yes in my 6 cylnder roadster or my 32 year old diesel Land Rover !!!!

[SWoll]

NS66 said:

wisbech said:

Shower thoughts. Compared to ICE, EV either have the same or higher fixed costs (depreciation/ insurance, offset by lower vehicle duty) but much lower variable costs (fuel vs electricity)

In theory, this means people should end up doing more miles, as the marginal cost of trips will be much lower. Do you find this to be true, or does it just not make a difference?

In an EV absolutely no - My EV is just a boring pod, a mode of transport to get you from A>B

No different to 99% of ICE cars then in that sense?

[Dave Hedgehog]

wisbech said:

Shower thoughts. Compared to ICE, EV either have the same or higher fixed costs (depreciation/ insurance, offset by lower vehicle duty) but much lower variable costs (fuel vs electricity)

In theory, this means people should end up doing more miles, as the marginal cost of trips will be much lower. Do you find this to be true, or does it just not make a difference?

after 12 months of EV driving

Insurance - EV £10 cheaper a year
Road fund - EV £320 cheaper a year
Service - EV 100% cheaper (no service cost, avg £450 a year for AMG)
Fuel - EV £3300 cheaper a year
Depreciation - EV £18,000 cheaper in first year. Cheapest M3P on autotrader is 2k less than I paid for mine , My AMG dumped at least 20k in the first 12 months

I dont tend to drive more miles but I do use performance a lot more not having to worry about £1.40 a ltr vpower

Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Tuesday 6th October 12:26

[leef44]

gangzoom said:

Couldn't agree more, regarding cycling its pretty safe as long as you have good road awareness. The two scars I have on my arms from cycling accidents have all been due to me going too fast and nothing at all to do cars.

I loss count the number of cars stuck in traffic I overtake on the way to work these days. Get to work quicker and get a good work out at the same time, I love commuting to work on the bike.

The main issue with cycling in the UK is getting through a cold/dark/wet winter, but lovely fashion accessories like these really help!!!

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Sadly if you are a fashion trend setter there is no way to make bib shorts look cool, luckily am as fashionable as this guy so all is good .

[Img]https://i0.wp.com/metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/article-1284708526720-03707c020000044d-435100_304x456.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=304%2C456&ssl=1[/thumb]

Edited by gangzoom on Tuesday 6th October 07:16

I was watching a news documentary about cycling lanes in the Netherlands and the increase uptake due to the lockdown.

What struck me was that the average cyclist in the Netherlands cycles carefully and calmly. Most the bikes used were not built for speed e.g. shopping bikes. In UK, it seems the average cyclist look like they are on a time trial or Tour De France.

Thank you gangzoom, it's refreshing to hear a view point where the car driver is not to blame for everything.

[kambites]

leef44 said:

What struck me was that the average cyclist in the Netherlands cycles carefully and calmly. Most the bikes used were not built for speed e.g. shopping bikes. In UK, it seems the average cyclist look like they are on a time trial or Tour De France.

The vast majority of cyclists here cycle carefully and calmly too, we just tend to notice the minority who do not. There's no reason a bike "built for speed" should be riden badly.

No different than cars, really. There's plenty of well driven sports cars out there, but it's inevitable that people notice the ones which aren't.

[LG9k]

kambites said:

The vast majority of cyclists here cycle carefully and calmly too, we just tend to notice the minority who do not. There's no reason a bike "built for speed" should be riden badly.

No different than cars, really. There's plenty of well driven sports cars out there, but it's inevitable that people notice the ones which aren't.

I ride a 2010 Trek Allant, which has an upright riding position, a rack for pannier bags. Here's a link: https://archive.trekbikes.com/ca/en/2010/trek/alla...

I rarely wear anything other than "normal clothes" to ride it (although I've recently purchased some non-skin tight waterproofs ahead of the winter). Until covid I never really rode it more than 5 miles (each way).

For my more recent regular suburban 9-10 mile ride to visit the gf, it takes the same time as it does in a car at peak time - about 40 minutes, averaging around 15mph - although the car will do the same in about 22 minutes late at night.

I only tend to get "not calm" when vehicles pass too close, or hold me up by being stuck in traffic/too close to the kerb

[Kawasicki]

Yes, I drive more with an EV. I also don’t have to wait for an engine to warm up, so I can trash it from cold. Regenerative braking means I don’t have to drive smoothly, as the energy is cheap (as others have mentioned) and I also get some of it back when braking.