Used Model X 90D/100D - real world range and reliability

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SWoll said:

MOBB said:

aestetix1 said:

Double check the warranty, apparently it's been slashed to 1 year or 10k miles:

https://electrek.co/2020/10/19/tesla-slashes-used-...

The main attraction of buying a used car from Tesla has now 100% gone. Perhaps they don't want to sell used cars.

I was toying with replacing my Model 3 Performance with a used Model S Performance next year, I think I'll stick to new.

Pretty much inline with used car warranties from most manufacturers once the vehicle is outside of initial coverage isn't it? Can you not pay to extend it further as is the also the case with other manufacturers?

Don't know about extending it, but 4 was a lovely number of years :-)

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MOBB said:

Don't know about extending it, but 4 was a lovely number of years :-)

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electrek article said:

To be fair, those confidence builder initiatives put them ahead of the competition, and now removing them puts them on par, which is not bad in perspective, but it’s still noteworthy.

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I'm fine with it, so long as their customer service and PDI checks fall in line with the norm too :-)

<edit> I hope i'm not coming across as a hater, I love the brand generally.

Edited by MOBB on Tuesday 20th October 15:20

[Heres Johnny]

aestetix1 said:

Bjorn Nyland and several other prominent owners had their Model X 90 packs fail at around 120,000 km. Clearly some design flaw with the pack to have them all die around the same time.

Even with the new packs throttling of supercharging is very aggressive on the 90s.

I and everyone else I know must be very lucky as I'm getting 125kw + supercharging and still no significant loss in range at 4 years old.

Bjorns 90 MX was an early 2016 model, one of the early packs which I said was know to have issues.

And then lets discuss what he said... after 300 rapid charging session he says "The difference in charging time is 3-5 minutes" - I think most people would accept that as for most people 300 charging session could be 6 years of ownership

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u_8Gvh8_7U

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Heres Johnny said:

aestetix1 said:

Bjorn Nyland and several other prominent owners had their Model X 90 packs fail at around 120,000 km. Clearly some design flaw with the pack to have them all die around the same time.

Even with the new packs throttling of supercharging is very aggressive on the 90s.

I and everyone else I know must be very lucky as I'm getting 125kw + supercharging and still no significant loss in range at 4 years old.

Bjorns 90 MX was an early 2016 model, one of the early packs which I said was know to have issues.

And then lets discuss what he said... after 300 rapid charging session he says "The difference in charging time is 3-5 minutes" - I think most people would accept that as for most people 300 charging session could be 6 years of ownership

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u_8Gvh8_7U

Indeed, rather over discussed if that's the real world result? 300 DC sessions is significantly more than most owners would do in the lifetime of the car I'm sure and 3-5 minutes is less variable than you can get on the same supercharger dependent on which day you visit in in my experience?

All rather overblown.

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SWoll said:

All rather overblown.

Its not overblown, instead it shows the real limitations of lithium ion technology, and the fallacy of these 150KW+ chargers manufacturers see as a way to convince EVs can be refuelled like combustion cars.

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gangzoom said:

SWoll said:

All rather overblown.

Its not overblown, instead it shows the real limitations of lithium ion technology, and the fallacy of these 150KW+ chargers manufacturers see as a way to convince EVs can be refuelled like combustion cars.

300 DC fast charging visits and the charge time affected by 3-5 minutes, yet constantly gets mentioned as if it's likely to affect every car and far ore dratically than by 5% you don't consider that overblown?

Here's an example of this from page 1 of this very thread that suggests not only a reduction but complete inability to supercharge from the kind of hyperbolic poster we see regularly on the forum.

aestetix1 said:

Avoid the 90D, lots of duff batteries. They tend to fail around 90-130k miles. Also check how much it has been rapid charged - after a certain point they can't supercharge any more and it sounds like you really need that.

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SWoll said:

300 DC fast charging visits and the charge time affected by 3-5 minutes, yet constantly gets mentioned as if it's likely to affect every car and far ore dratically than by 5% you don't consider that overblown?

You are lucky. It's worth reading some threads on TMC if you are considering a Tesla. Lot of people with crippled supercharging, sub 50kW speeds, some down to 25kW which is AC charging level.

I'm surprised Tesla even go that low as someone stuck at 25kW is going to be hogging a supercharger for hours.

[Heres Johnny]

aestetix1 said:

SWoll said:

300 DC fast charging visits and the charge time affected by 3-5 minutes, yet constantly gets mentioned as if it's likely to affect every car and far ore dratically than by 5% you don't consider that overblown?

You are lucky. It's worth reading some threads on TMC if you are considering a Tesla. Lot of people with crippled supercharging, sub 50kW speeds, some down to 25kW which is AC charging level.

I'm surprised Tesla even go that low as someone stuck at 25kW is going to be hogging a supercharger for hours.

You'll find they're almost universally 85 battery pack owners

You've stated the 90 is crippled, you say where you evidence was which was Bjorn, we've posted the evidence back to you where he talks about 3-5 mins longer, and you still keep banging on about it

Please do some proper research and find some evidence that actually backs your theory.

The 90 isn't perfect, especailly the older ones, but its a lot lot better than you are claiming. And thats coming from me who will happily be critical of Tesla if its warranted.

[rxe]

kmpowell said:

After what feels like months deliberating which 6/7 seater to buy, I keep coming back to a 6/7 seater MX (preferably a 6 seater), if it does what it says on paper. Whilst a SQ7/XC90 would be good, I fear the value of a big heavy Diesel will tank pretty badly in a few years and I'd be better off putting my eggs into a Tesla.

I’ll focus on this bit.

You’re either worried about residuals (and money) or you’re not.

If you’re worried about residuals, buy a decent s/h diesel X5 and run it. It will likely be as reliable as any other s/h car, and will do your 400 mile jaunts without an issue. There’s 1400 of them on Autotrader, on the first page I looked at , 23K gets you a 40K mile 3 litre. Once you’ve run it for 4 years, it will still be worth 10K, which is not bad for 4 years of “big” motoring.

If you’re not worried about residuals, then buy whatever you want.

There’s nothing to say that residuals of the current crop of EVs won’t tank in just the same way given the rate of innovation. Who will want an X in 4 years when there is new stuff available with presumably bigger range etc?

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rxe said:

I’ll focus on this bit.

You’re either worried about residuals (and money) or you’re not.

If you’re worried about residuals, buy a decent s/h diesel X5 and run it. It will likely be as reliable as any other s/h car, and will do your 400 mile jaunts without an issue. There’s 1400 of them on Autotrader, on the first page I looked at , 23K gets you a 40K mile 3 litre. Once you’ve run it for 4 years, it will still be worth 10K, which is not bad for 4 years of “big” motoring.

If you’re not worried about residuals, then buy whatever you want.

Very good point. Pretty much any new EV is a waste of money, our X has relatively low depreciation going from £71K to £50K in 3.5 years, but the 2009 Mazda 6 we have on the driveway will get from A to B just as well/easily and deprecated from £15k to £500 in 11 years. But interestingly we've done 37K in the X so deprecation is roughly 55p per mile, the Mazda has done 20K in 11 years (its more a home for spiders/moss than a car) so works out at 72p per mile in deprecation.

So depending on how you want to do the man maths either keeping a car cheapish car for 11 years is a fantastic way to save money or its crazy a £70k EV is cheaper to own/run versus a 11 year old banger!!

You can argue it either way, and personally I change my argument depending on if I really want a new car or not .