Corsa E 48 test drive
Discussion
Cupramax said:
MuscleSedan said:
RetroWheels said:
Now, maybe it's me (and feel free to f£ck me right off - i'm old school and tend to buy cars not lease them) but £27 to £30k ? !!! .
30 second's on ebay reveals a Dealer 2020 10 mile 1.2 petrol for £13800 (£13000 ?).
EV take up is surely going to be seriously slow if a Corsa is £30k. What are the advantages to the consumer over a small engined petrol to consider paying the huge price difference ?30 second's on ebay reveals a Dealer 2020 10 mile 1.2 petrol for £13800 (£13000 ?).
New 1.2T Elite Nav Premium - £18500
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/new...
New E Elite Nav - £25700
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/new...
So a £7k difference. The E has better performance, reduced servicing cost, no VED, if you cover 10k miles per year will save you £800 in fuel and will have better residuals.
Yes there is still a gap but twice the price? Keep the car for 3 years and 30k and I would reckon it to be more like £3.5k difference in TCO without considering depreciation differences.
Edited by SWoll on Sunday 25th October 08:37
Someone on another thread made the point of thinking about EVs as a tool for a job. Most people only ever do under 100 miles per outing so could get one of the very cheap used EVs out there and save money. Others like me need the range to be 150 miles which gives me a buffer. Others travelling long distances regularly for business need the 250 range vehicles which with the exception of the Kia e Niro are significantly more expensive to purchase.
I am looking at 15 to 20k miles per year.
My dilemma is something like this :
Used 1.5 Tdci Fiesta Vignale , 75mpg all the toys £12600.00 purchase outright but at that mpg would reduce fuel from £250pm to £150pm
EV between £20k and £30k lease or purchase but only maybe £50 pm on electric.
Enter another lease on an ICE and pay approx £500pm combined (fuel and lease).
I genuinely would like to make EV work for me. Big family car is diesel and has range when needed. Classics in garage for fun.
I am looking at 15 to 20k miles per year.
My dilemma is something like this :
Used 1.5 Tdci Fiesta Vignale , 75mpg all the toys £12600.00 purchase outright but at that mpg would reduce fuel from £250pm to £150pm
EV between £20k and £30k lease or purchase but only maybe £50 pm on electric.
Enter another lease on an ICE and pay approx £500pm combined (fuel and lease).
I genuinely would like to make EV work for me. Big family car is diesel and has range when needed. Classics in garage for fun.
SWoll said:
Cupramax said:
MuscleSedan said:
RetroWheels said:
Now, maybe it's me (and feel free to f£ck me right off - i'm old school and tend to buy cars not lease them) but £27 to £30k ? !!! .
30 second's on ebay reveals a Dealer 2020 10 mile 1.2 petrol for £13800 (£13000 ?).
EV take up is surely going to be seriously slow if a Corsa is £30k. What are the advantages to the consumer over a small engined petrol to consider paying the huge price difference ?30 second's on ebay reveals a Dealer 2020 10 mile 1.2 petrol for £13800 (£13000 ?).
New 1.2T Elite Nav Premium - £18500
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/new...
New E Elite Nav - £25700
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/new...
So a £7k difference. The E has better performance, reduced servicing cost, no VED, if you cover 10k miles per year will save you £800 in fuel and will have better residuals.
Yes there is still a gap but twice the price? Keep the car for 3 years and 30k and I would reckon it to be more like £3.5k difference in TCO without considering depreciation differences.
Edited by SWoll on Sunday 25th October 08:37
I still think manufacturers are overcharging given the way battery prices have plummeted recently, and bearing in mind pretty much the whole drivetrain is going to be cheaper, an electric motor costs less to manufacture than an engine and gearbox.
Honestly mike, if it's just a tool for a job and you're happy to buy used then difficult to argue the case for EV at the moment. Give it a couple of years for the new crop of EV's with 150-200 miles of range to drop into the used market and I'm sure that will be very different.
Current EV's at that price point (<15k) such as the Leaf 30kWh or Ioniq 28kWh aren't going to offer the daily range you need unfortunately.
Current EV's at that price point (<15k) such as the Leaf 30kWh or Ioniq 28kWh aren't going to offer the daily range you need unfortunately.
granada203028 said:
Having one over night is a good idea to get the whole experience of charging at home particularly now winter is coming. Try an early morning cold start etc.
I agree. The winter cold morning advantage is huge. No deicing, warm car, thrash from cold.Pros - traffic light acceleration, silence (check for rattles, wiper motor noise etc? Surprising how obvious unwanted noises are when there’s no power train), plus you’d hope decent residuals. But it’s a Vauxhall which would worry me - they’re not renowned for low depreciation.
Financially like for like compared to a grotty gutless rattling little diesel they might not make complete sense buying privately but honestly there’s no comparison in get in and drive useability if you can handle the range.
Business use they’re a no brainer. BIK is low to nothing, 100% cap allowance on new EVs, no tax, hardly any fuel, but they’re not cheap to buy. We’ve contract hired a leaf and now a soul.
We won’t go back to ICE for day to day use. These are appliances, brilliant for commuting, shops, school runs etc - but having something petrol and silly as a backup is a good plan
Looks like it’s a 50kw battery and advertised with 200+ mile range - I’d guess at 100-120 mile range at motorway speeds in cold weather with the heater on?
Plugging a brick charger in overnight on a 3 pin socket at 10 amps - 2kw an hour or so - you might be looking at a half empty battery next morning - do bear that in mind. 50kw would need a 7kw wall charger ideally to work as intended on overnight empty to full charges.
andy43 said:
Business use they’re a no brainer. BIK is low to nothing,
This is where the uptake will be. As pointed out above, £30k for a s
t corsa is 2x too much. However as a company car it makes perfect sense on a £250 pcm business lease.Company cars had become punitive in tax, this takes us back to the "glory days" of the 90s where a company car was a genuine perk. I've never had a company car even though I owned my own company for the last 15yrs simply because the numbers didn't work paying as much tax as the lease cost. I've now got a Model 3 performance effectively "free" personally and loving it.
As soon as they hike the tax I'll be bringing my old diesel 5-series back into daily use.
Don’t underestimate how much fun electric power is in a small car. I have an old cheap Zoe and it’s really engaging. Fast take off, corner on the door handles lol.
You can get a 40kwh battery Zoe for £11k which will do 120 miles at 70, or 150+ on slower roads.
Still not cheaper than a small petrol car tbh, but strangely addictive and guilt-free.
You can get a 40kwh battery Zoe for £11k which will do 120 miles at 70, or 150+ on slower roads.
Still not cheaper than a small petrol car tbh, but strangely addictive and guilt-free.
272BHP said:
giveitfish said:
Don’t underestimate how much fun electric power is in a small car. I have an old cheap Zoe and it’s really engaging. Fast take off, corner on the door handles lol.
Indeed. Our i3s is a revelation in town driving, the very definition of point and squirt nippiness.Just had new front tyres on our Soul at less than 9,000 miles. Whoops.
I’ll check for missing door handle paint before it goes back...
Interesting replies and as always personal choice etc. It might be that after using it for 24hrs I will know my answer. I understand the plug charging will not possibly replenish the battery fully after the first days use but if owned it would be done with a 7.2kw charger so not an issue.
I’m quite prepared to not go EV and am trying to make an informed decision. As someone else said the MG ZS EV does throw an interesting spanner in the works at a new price of £20k. It makes for an interesting option when running costs against purchase price are considered.
I’m quite prepared to not go EV and am trying to make an informed decision. As someone else said the MG ZS EV does throw an interesting spanner in the works at a new price of £20k. It makes for an interesting option when running costs against purchase price are considered.
Mikebentley said:
As someone else said the MG ZS EV does throw an interesting spanner in the works at a new price of £20k. It makes for an interesting option when running costs against purchase price are considered.
You won't get 150 miles out of one in the winter on a full charge even if only doing city driving. Even in summer it looks unlikely.https://www.whatcar.com/news/mg-zs-ev-long-term-te...
SWoll said:
You won't get 150 miles out of one in the winter on a full charge even if only doing city driving. Even in summer it looks unlikely.
https://www.whatcar.com/news/mg-zs-ev-long-term-te...
Yes, EV ranges work exactly like advertised mpg figures - completely unrealistic. I'd say use 2/3 of what they claim as a guide.https://www.whatcar.com/news/mg-zs-ev-long-term-te...
SWoll said:
Mikebentley said:
As someone else said the MG ZS EV does throw an interesting spanner in the works at a new price of £20k. It makes for an interesting option when running costs against purchase price are considered.
You won't get 150 miles out of one in the winter on a full charge even if only doing city driving. Even in summer it looks unlikely.https://www.whatcar.com/news/mg-zs-ev-long-term-te...
Update: Had the Corsa e Elite Nav today.
A very nice shade of metallic darkish blue. Black roof tinted rear windows and EV black alloys. Interior has some lesser quality plastics but this might be down to weight shavings. The binnacle that normally has the clocks has a small screen in it and I feel this could be a better fitted TFT display for £30k. Overall though a really nice place to be and every toy I could have wanted.
Driving:
Never having driven an EV I was blown away by it. Responsive, quiet and very relaxing. I put the car in “B” mode and really enjoyed using the regen braking, anticipating my next move and driving with just the accelerator. It was great fun and I enjoyed driving within all the speed limits in a mix of motorway, country and urban roads. The statistic display suggested I managed 5.6 miles per KWh over one 3 hour section.overall though 3.6 was achieved.
Verdict: Much want and man maths required to now justify a £30k Corsa.
PS after driving all day I discovered Sport Mode. Wow the sense of instant acceleration with very little corresponding extra noise as per ICE was quite shocking.
A very nice shade of metallic darkish blue. Black roof tinted rear windows and EV black alloys. Interior has some lesser quality plastics but this might be down to weight shavings. The binnacle that normally has the clocks has a small screen in it and I feel this could be a better fitted TFT display for £30k. Overall though a really nice place to be and every toy I could have wanted.
Driving:
Never having driven an EV I was blown away by it. Responsive, quiet and very relaxing. I put the car in “B” mode and really enjoyed using the regen braking, anticipating my next move and driving with just the accelerator. It was great fun and I enjoyed driving within all the speed limits in a mix of motorway, country and urban roads. The statistic display suggested I managed 5.6 miles per KWh over one 3 hour section.overall though 3.6 was achieved.
Verdict: Much want and man maths required to now justify a £30k Corsa.
PS after driving all day I discovered Sport Mode. Wow the sense of instant acceleration with very little corresponding extra noise as per ICE was quite shocking.
Mikebentley said:
Verdict: Much want and man maths required to now justify a £30k Corsa.
PS after driving all day I discovered Sport Mode. Wow the sense of instant acceleration with very little corresponding extra noise as per ICE was quite shocking.
The first time you drive an EV it really is an eye-opening moment. Now imagine when they get the range/cost sorted (which won't be long) and you can easily see the death of the ICE except for specialist uses.PS after driving all day I discovered Sport Mode. Wow the sense of instant acceleration with very little corresponding extra noise as per ICE was quite shocking.
It was a bit of a lightbulb moment. I’ve had Yank V8’s, Cosworths, Mk1/2 Escorts, Lotus Cortina, TypeR and currently have moderns and an XK140 FHc and Triumph Vitesse. I took the wife and daughter out and they both thought it was great too.
I even found myself following a Sprinter kicking out a really bad smell and thinking to myself how awful it was. I’ve seen the future and it’s actually ok.
I even found myself following a Sprinter kicking out a really bad smell and thinking to myself how awful it was. I’ve seen the future and it’s actually ok.
Mikebentley said:
It was a bit of a lightbulb moment. I’ve had Yank V8’s, Cosworths, Mk1/2 Escorts, Lotus Cortina, TypeR and currently have moderns and an XK140 FHc and Triumph Vitesse. I took the wife and daughter out and they both thought it was great too.
I even found myself following a Sprinter kicking out a really bad smell and thinking to myself how awful it was. I’ve seen the future and it’s actually ok.
I even found myself following a Sprinter kicking out a really bad smell and thinking to myself how awful it was. I’ve seen the future and it’s actually ok.
Had the same thing when we first got our i3, genuinely makes ICE feel archaic technology for daily duties.
If you enjoyed the immediate go of the Corsa for christ sake don't try a Tesla or you'll be desperately trying to man maths justify another £10k.
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