New Hyundai Ioniq 5

[greggy50]

kambites said:

300 miles sounds believable given how big it is. It's nearly as big as the ECQ which does far less range with significantly more battery.

The Hyundai actually do the claimed figures so it will probably be a real world 300 miles (over very close too) rather than on a summers day with no A/C on a flat road which seems to be the case for a lot of other electric cars on the market...

[juice]

Great idea, for while you're waiting for it to charge !

[7n8n]

All these cars are just way too expensive for the average person. £45k? GTFO.

[greggy50]

7n8n said:

All these cars are just way too expensive for the average person. £45k? GTFO.

Thats for a top of the range model?

A base one will be more like £30k which is similar to an average specification Golf nowadays...

[zayn]

so the ioniq 5 will arrive in the UK before any 350kw chargers do , Kind of sum's it up really. If you want long miles and easy SC access buy a Tesla. If you you don't need long miles or SC charger access buy anything else

[anonymous-user]

At a guess pricing of cheapest versions will overlap with pricing of the most expensive EV Kona, which will likely mean a starting price in the mid £30s. This pitches it competitively at similarly sized/spec'ed ICE SUVs and makes it very good value against similarly sized/spec'ed EV SUVs.

I suspect if I was a product planner for VW's ID4, I'd be a little concerned.

[CheesecakeRunner]

7n8n said:

All these cars are just way too expensive for the average person. £45k? GTFO.

So what? Lots of thing in life are too expensive for ‘the average person’.

[CooperS]

7n8n said:

All these cars are just way too expensive for the average person. £45k? GTFO.

Why is that too much? Prices of hot hatches / SUvs like the Golf are at this price point. With most good ranged EV cars are already at that price point and beyond?

[CooperS]

had ham said:

At a guess pricing of cheapest versions will overlap with pricing of the most expensive EV Kona, which will likely mean a starting price in the mid £30s. This pitches it competitively at similarly sized/spec'ed ICE SUVs and makes it very good value against similarly sized/spec'ed EV SUVs.

I suspect if I was a product planner for VW's ID4, I'd be a little concerned.

Yep. But VW will attract long term VW customers regardless of competitor pricing

[zayn]

which the UK government have probably realized and with the state of the economy the plan for imposing New Petrol Vehicles Ban, losing fuel taxation will probably get u-turned or delayed for another few years. Long way to go yet..

7n8n said:

All these cars are just way too expensive for the average person. £45k? GTFO.

[anonymous-user]

CooperS said:

Yep. But VW will attract long term VW customers regardless of competitor pricing

A conversation I've had with colleagues a number of times - just how much does brand loyalty matter with the advent of EVs?

There is a train of thought that suggests (particularly younger) consumers are much more willing to accept new/emerging brands in the face of accelerated innovation, and that the value of established auto brands now counts for far less.

The product (or, increasingly, 'service') will soon be very far removed from what it used to be, and as a result, the brand perception and loyalty associated with 'what it used to be' will be far less important.

We shall see, I guess - it'll take a few years yet to play out, though.

[7n8n]

CheesecakeRunner said:

7n8n said:

All these cars are just way too expensive for the average person. £45k? GTFO.

So what? Lots of thing in life are too expensive for ‘the average person’.

Because you're going to need average people to get on board, or there won't be many people buying new cars in a few years' time.

I realise that not everything in life has to be accessible/affordable but we're talking about a Hyundai hatchback here, not a Porsche Cayman.

High prices means more people turning to used cars, which goes against the whole idea of electrification to reduce pollution at the point of use.

We are a family of 4 and I reckon my household income is above the national average but spending £30k on a car would be a pipe dream.

I am really enthusiastic about EVs and really hope the day that people like me can afford to join the club is sooner rather than waiting another 10 years.

Edited by 7n8n on Tuesday 23 February 16:32

[kambites]

7n8n said:

I realise that not everything in life has to be accessible/affordable but we're talking about a Hyundai hatchback here, not a Porsche Cayman.

It's not a hatchback though is it? It's a massive great SUVish thing.

The Kona is a much smaller, cheaper car if that's what you want.

Edited by kambites on Tuesday 23 February 17:53

[Smiljan]

zayn said:

so the ioniq 5 will arrive in the UK before any 350kw chargers do , Kind of sum's it up really. If you want long miles and easy SC access buy a Tesla. If you you don't need long miles or SC charger access buy anything else

It maxes out at 232kW charge speed.



800v rapid charging is the future. It's only a matter of time before more and more appear. In the meantime the 150kW stations are quick enough.

It's another reason you'd be daft to spend big on an EV just now. There's also a new CCS standard coming to enable plug and charge without tapping a card or using an app. Give it a few years to settle out. Short leases seem the best option for the more expensive EV's just now, it's all changing so quickly.

[raspy]

7n8n said:

Because you're going to need average people to get on board, or there won't be many people buying new cars in a few years' time.

I realise that not everything in life has to be accessible/affordable but we're talking about a Hyundai hatchback here, not a Porsche Cayman.

High prices means more people turning to used cars, which goes against the whole idea of electrification to reduce pollution at the point of use.

We are a family of 4 and I reckon my household income is above the national average but spending £30k on a car would be a pipe dream.

I am really enthusiastic about EVs and really hope the day that people like me can afford to join the club is sooner rather than waiting another 10 years.

Edited by 7n8n on Tuesday 23 February 16:32

Agreed. Especially with so many people who have lost jobs/had reduced income due to the pandemic, these relatively expensive new EVs coming to market are even more likely to be the preserve of the wealthier end of society or those with jobs that give them company cars. A lot of people live in bubbles, so they are unaware that not everyone in this country earns an above average wage with a high disposable income.

And manufacturers naturally are going to start off with more expensive and upmarket EVs for buyers with bigger budgets as that's where the profit is for them.

I do believe it's just a few years and we will start to see more affordable EVs coming through. The technology is evolving rapidly. Regarding the Ioniq 5, I think it's a funky new design and I hope it drives as well as it looks!

[ZesPak]

Smiljan said:

It's another reason you'd be daft to spend big on an EV just now. There's also a new CCS standard coming to enable plug and charge without tapping a card or using an app. Give it a few years to settle out. Short leases seem the best option for the more expensive EV's just now, it's all changing so quickly.

Another one for me will be V2G.
This will become very important in the not too distant future.

aestetix1 said:

Edit: It's 800V as well, so super fast charging. 10-80% in 18 minutes apparently, should be considerably quicker than Tesla who are stuck on 400V.

Edited by aestetix1 on Tuesday 23 February 10:03

Aah... had to wait for the edit for the inevitable Tesla dig.

Apparently it'll be ~230Kw, so pretty similar to the TM3.


I really like this Hyundai effort. It looks great and they've made some of the best EV's on the market already.
If it was my money, VW can go and buy their own ID3's, I'd have this in a heartbeat.

[Evanivitch]

Smiljan said:

It's another reason you'd be daft to spend big on an EV just now. There's also a new CCS standard coming to enable plug and charge without tapping a card or using an app. Give it a few years to settle out. Short leases seem the best option for the more expensive EV's just now, it's all changing so quickly.

The update to the CCS standard has taken years, and still isn't published. The update to include V2G/H won't be backwards compatible which is incredibly frustrating.

And once this 'card free' standard is available, you still have to wait for the cars and the infrastructure to refresh to that standard.

[SWoll]

raspy said:

7n8n said:

Because you're going to need average people to get on board, or there won't be many people buying new cars in a few years' time.

I realise that not everything in life has to be accessible/affordable but we're talking about a Hyundai hatchback here, not a Porsche Cayman.

High prices means more people turning to used cars, which goes against the whole idea of electrification to reduce pollution at the point of use.

We are a family of 4 and I reckon my household income is above the national average but spending £30k on a car would be a pipe dream.

I am really enthusiastic about EVs and really hope the day that people like me can afford to join the club is sooner rather than waiting another 10 years.

Edited by 7n8n on Tuesday 23 February 16:32

Agreed. Especially with so many people who have lost jobs/had reduced income due to the pandemic, these relatively expensive new EVs coming to market are even more likely to be the preserve of the wealthier end of society or those with jobs that give them company cars. A lot of people live in bubbles, so they are unaware that not everyone in this country earns an above average wage with a high disposable income.

And manufacturers naturally are going to start off with more expensive and upmarket EVs for buyers with bigger budgets as that's where the profit is for them.

I do believe it's just a few years and we will start to see more affordable EVs coming through. The technology is evolving rapidly. Regarding the Ioniq 5, I think it's a funky new design and I hope it drives as well as it looks!

- There is still a second hand EV market so plenty of choice for lower budgets that will keep on improving
- Leasing and PCP have made new cars more accessible to 'average people'
- Plenty of new EV's available in the £20-25k bracket and others starting to drop under the £20k barrier like the Fiat 500e.
- New technology always starts at the top end as these things are expensive to produce until the cost benefits of true mass production kick in.
- A new Ford Fiesta starts at £16k, a new Golf £25k. They are 2 of the 3 top selling cars in the UK last year, the mercedes A-Class was number 5. Hardly cheap in comparison?

Edited by SWoll on Tuesday 23 February 22:40

[JonnyVTEC]

ZesPak said:

Aah... had to wait for the edit for the inevitable Tesla dig.

Apparently it'll be ~230Kw, so pretty similar to the TM3.


I really like this Hyundai effort. It looks great and they've made some of the best EV's on the market already.
If it was my money, VW can go and buy their own ID3's, I'd have this in a heartbeat.

Indeed, please don’t look at peaks. FASTNED have some good data on charge rate curves.

[aestetix1]

ZesPak said:

Apparently it'll be ~230Kw, so pretty similar to the TM3.

It doesn't work that way.

For example, the Audi Turd is only 150kW but it's constant over the whole charging session, so overall it charges very quickly.

We need to see the charging curve before we can determine how fast it can charge, but from their statement of 10-80% in 18 minutes we can do some calculations.

70% of 76.2kWh is 50.82kWh. Let's say 50kWh. That would be an average speed of 166kW over the charging session, which is significantly faster than the current Tesla Model 3. And the Turd, for that matter.